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No way these coins are getting 3 reviews for a consensus grade - they are lucky to get a 10 second look by one grader. Allocation of scarce resources - I get it - plus lack of experience with these coins below AU.   |
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IMO
F-15 and a strong G-6
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. they are lucky to get a 10 second look by one grader. That's just simply not true. You can disagree with a grade without spreading inaccurate information about the process. There is far two much misinformation that gets put out about how they operate. The first coin was very likely net graded for an old and/or light cleaning that wasn't quite bad enough for a details grade. |
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There is far two much misinformation that gets put out about how they operate. Care to share the accurate information you hold and the source(s)? Otherwise, it's all rhetoric and the statements from either side can be easily dismissed. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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. Care to share the accurate information you hold and the source(s)? Otherwise, it's all rhetoric and the statements from either side can be easily dismissed. No it's not just rhetoric no matter how much some of you wish it was. Coins aren't getting a 10second look or less by a single grader and being slabbed period. Known proven fact |
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No it's not just rhetoric no matter how much some of you wish it was. Coins aren't getting a 10second look or less by a single grader and being slabbed period. Known proven fact That is all, again, just rhetoric. I am not defending the claims of anyone, but I do have a problem with squashing them without any semblance of proof. What is the: Quote:
Known proven fact ...and how is it so? In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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That is all, again, just rhetoric. I am not defending the claims of anyone, but I do have a problem with squashing them without any semblance of proof.. You do actually seem to be pushing an agenda. Should I also prove 2 + 2 equals 4? How about that gravity exists or that the earth isn't flat? This is elementary 101 about the process. Hate them, don't use them, ignore them I don't care, just stop with the misinformation. The most basic level of research that would take about a commercial break to find would show PCGS uses two graders minimum per coin. So does NGC so does ICG. Do some research instead of just constantly challenging me for correcting misformation about basic processes Edited by basebal21
06/25/2018 03:22 am
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Australia
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So why the obvious difference in grade,
when both have been given the same designated grade?
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Doesn't PCGS have a buyback guarantee for this exact scenario? When coin graders look at so many coins I can understand a mishap like this happen, even multiple experts can get(and have gotten) it wrong
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06/25/2018 03:32 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks closer to VF20 & VG10 to me. These coins are not candidates for bulk grading and as such are viewed by at least three professional graders (one of whom could be the finalizer) at PCGS.
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I'm reading a lot of discussion about PCGS wizards process - but the point IMHO is their inconsistency in grading these seldom seen honestly circulated classic silver commemorative.
Truly concur with the OP - I could post over ten examples whereby the wizards at PCGS failed to assign a correct grade - its an issue we need to deal with in our pursuit of these rare coins.
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Perhaps it really would be better, if we could all learn to grade accurately for ourselves. I see slabbing having it's best use as TPG for coins for sale, but even that could be a problem if the SLQ's pictured were offered for sale together. I think that some collectors at least, have a display problem, when there is a mixture of slabbed coins, and coins in 2x2 flips in their collections. |
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Agree with BH1964 at VF-20 and VG-10. Shouldn't be an excuse, but I'd guess most graders wouldn't have much of a mental data bank on well-worn individual early commemoratives.
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perhaps, there data base is a little sketchy, were the coins graded at the same time? too many questions, but I would send those exact photos to PCGS and ask for an explanation.. or a free regrade.. someone dropped the ball..
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Older US Commemoratives in heavily circulated condition are often inaccurately graded by PCGS IMO. They do better on other US coins but their grading of Classic Commemoratives can be a bit off sometimes. |
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Wasn't expecting all the replies, and I should have put the /s (sarcasm) font re: the grading process. It's a matter of trust for any non-bulk submission that we are getting the 3 reviewer-consensus process - unless someone is actually in the room.
Thanks for those who have offered grade opinions. The 1926 has no signs of cleaning whatsoever for whoever threw that out there. Plus, PCGS *rewards* lightly cleaned silver with upgrading vs heavily toned coins, which they market downgrade instead of technical grading.
They were not submitted in the same submission but pretty close. I have a future submission which is going to be very interesting, and worth the $$ to me vs a multitude of other things I could waste money on.
fwiw, I concur that the 1926 is VF and 26 S is VG.
There is no reason to market grade these. Coin value is not the issue with these since not rare, not going for a PO1 or MS68. Once upon a time, there was a "Presidential Review" ie DH could over-rule the grade on the slab, but it was not meant for these.
Before the lowball registry, you could write "David Hall review please" on the submission form, and he would do so at no extra charge - since he took an interest in the whole lowball concept.
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