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Hello all,

I am looking for some advice on what I can do now that will possibly allow me to do something with coins as a career. Some background for you all: I will be a sophomore in college this coming fall. I have been collecting coins (seriously) for almost five years. I am majoring in Finance with a possible minor in Anthropology/Spanish/History (haven't decided yet).

I know that there are jobs out there for Numismatists like coin dealers or working for a company like APMEX. I am just wondering what I need to do now (maybe an internship of some kind) to stand out to companies that are looking for numismatists.

All advice/feedback welcome!
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Great question! For me personally, I have no idea. I'm just a hobbyist. I can tell you one thing. From what I'm reading above, you will be successful. You're here now asking the questions. Which means you're proactive, motivated and conscientious. That's half the battle, whatever you do in life.

I have no idea what the career potential is in the numismatic world, ie;..AMPEX? Dealers? TPG'ers? Salaries? Magazines? Publications? If you can make enough money to support your lifestyle and you love what you're doing, remember; you will never work a day in your life.

From where I'm sitting, it's great to hear there are young people out there interested and looking for careers in numismatics. !
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I told my son's that you pick what you want to do, but try to be the best at what ever you do...
My first suggestion would be to read everything you can get your hands on.
Second, you might want to join ANA... They have a newsletter and a monthly online magazine full of info.
Best of luck to you...
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Making a living on Numismatics is not easy . In my 50+ years of collecting coins I've seen many Brick and Mortar coin shops go under . Only the strong survive . But I give you credit for contemplating the idea .
BTW unless you have a huge inventory of coins and currency, your going to have to rely on Gold & Silver bullion to keep you from caving . Good luck on whatever you decide to do .
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 Posted 06/25/2018  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikem007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I had to do it all over again, I'd try to get a job at one of the Mints. Be on the inside, get the inside scoop. Drop a few dime or penny planchets into the quarter runs and pluck them out on the other side. Save for a rainy day. Maybe create some double-dies (by accident of course), and hoard them as your own. Run the machines for way too long so that the late die stage is almost unrecognizable as a coin and be sure to send that batch off for Mint Set stuffing. I'm sure this stuff goes on all the time.
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@ mikem, your kidding right?
If not your promoting theft.

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Yeah Mike what's up with that ? At least keep that to yourself ,don't tell the entire Coin World what you would do .
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Good luck .
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I grew up collecting coins and I got my start as a dealer when I sold of my original collection to help pay my tuition second semester of freshman year. I continued to buy and sell all the way through the rest of college. That's the way most coin dealers start, and gradually grow and grow.


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I know that there are jobs out there for Numismatists like coin dealers or working for a company like APMEX. I am just wondering what I need to do now (maybe an internship of some kind) to stand out to companies that are looking for numismatists.


The coin industry is a bit different than most other fields. There is not one particular path that coin dealers go through to get there. There are many well known dealers who didn't go to college, there are some with extraordinary education. There are some dealers who make a living because they have a great eye for coins, others who might not have the best eye for coins, but are great businessmen.

IMO, the best way to develop these skills is to spend time with people currently in the industry. I learned more spending time with dealers at shows than any program could have ever taught me. Many times, you will find dealers who have been in the business for decades, very willing to freely share their knowledge with a younger dealer who they like.
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No one knows what the future may or could be like in coins or any hobby. Remember your thinking about a hobby, not really something that many think of as a profession. However, many people are making this hobby a decent living. I know of one dealer that sells at all the coin shows and has a coin store. He makes a lot of money but that is now, not tomorrow. But he has to travel all over the country and then work at his store. Long hours and what tomorrow will be like, just unknown.
My suggestion is to continue your studies in Finance and consider a job with a brokerage firm in the future. Stick with coins as a hobby until you really know what you want later.
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You need to be able to identify very deceiving fake coins quickly and confidently, especially if you are buying for the business. You need an extensive supporting library on this subject, as well as good professional subscription paid support in this regard.

You need a good safe and in some parts of the U.S., good gun handling skills. However, you must remember that the safety of your family comes first.
Good cash flow is essential.

You need to have a good idea of customer psychology. The best car dealer trainees in the best car sales businesses get the right training.

You need to have good basic business skills.
You need to have a good business model that satisfies the Bank, so that your line of credit remains good.
You need a good accountant that understands your business model.
You will need public liability insurance if you are setting up a bricks and mortar shop.

Best to start off at home with a web site, where you are the only employee. The business risks are smaller in this environment, but the profit volumes will almost certainly be smaller as well.

If you expand your business, you must be prepared to attend shows, carry your best stock along with the security risks that are attached to that, and pay all show and accommodation fees.

Underpinning all of that,
you need to be enthusiastic, and have a good general numismatic knowledge.
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 Posted 06/26/2018  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikem007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@bpoc1 & @tbop, take a look at history. Some of the most rarest of modern coins sold at recent auctions were proven to have been given out as gifts from executives at the Mints. I've been wondering what the executive desk looks like with all the experimental "sample" stuff laying around. Just a matter of opportunity, being able to own something nobody else would ever get the chance to. So, getting back to jakes8 career path and their desire to work with coins, seeking a job at the Mint is where I'd start. Lets assume the Mints have clamped down on executives giving stuff away, I would think so, but certainly working at the Mint gets you the opportunity to purchase a few items that not many others would get the chance to. Or at minimum, you would have the opportunity to learn about changes coming before most everyone else and give yourself a headstart to collect whatever it maybe.

Second to the Mint, I'd seek a job at the company[s] who have the contract to wrap coins for banks. The Mint ships out bags of coins to be wrapped. To be the first hands-on for anything your coin wrapper machine spits out as rejects would be a dream for potential error finds.
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Wow! There is some phenomenal advice here.

IMHO one of the greatest abilities you would need to possess is recognizing counterfeits. Only way to become proficient at that is to be around coins all the time. You're at an exciting time in your life and seem intelligent since you're asking the right questions. Whatever route you choose make sure you enjoy it. Enjoying what you do everyday for a living greatly impacts all other aspects of your life. Good Luck to you.

EDIT: Mysilveryears below does have a great idea. I'd bet Heritage Auctions has internships and the like.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
http://goccf.com/t/303507
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I'd contact Heritage Auctions for starters. They have a huge operation and a worldwide reputation. And they are hiring.
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Decisions, decisions.

One one hand, I feel that once it becomes your job it will no longer be fun.

On the other hand, it has been said that if you find something you love to do then you will never have to work a day in your life.

I guess I cannot really help you here.
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You have to decide if you want to be a coin dealer, ie a proprieter of a startup business, or if you want to get a job. Then, what kind of job do you want? There are lots of companies that hire numismatists, Heritage is one of them. So is PCGS, NGC, and ANACS. Very different jobs, too.
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