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Heavy Patina/ Worn Reverse Greek Coin ID

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16-18mm
6.66mm
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 Posted 07/03/2018  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinnewbie3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
anyone have any idea?
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@cn3, I'm not very good at identifying coins that are worn, but I gotta say that these couple recent ones are even further gone than most that we see on CCF. There are a couple folks who seem to be able to work miracles, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I'm not even convinced that your coin is Greek or ancient. Can you post some details about how you got the coin or how it was labelled by the seller?
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...gotta say that these couple recent ones are even further gone than most that we see on CCF.


Sadly, that's true - especially of this one. What do we have here? A bearded fellow - presumably that's the obverse - and a completely worn away, slightly cupped, reverse, struck on a thick planchet, of the dimensions you provided, Coinnewbie3.

That's a lot more than nothing - but is it enough for a definitive attribution? Maybe, maybe not.

Without even searching, I'd be inclined to think the bust is Herakles but, geez, there are so many other possibilities where bearded busts are concerned: Poseidon (and Neptune), a bearded Dionysos, Sipylos (a mountain god), Asklepios/Asclepius, Jupiter, Seuthes (of Thrace), Demos, etc.

Even if we are certain that we are dealing with a Herakles, and of course we know the size and can observe the fabric, there may still be quite a few possibilities.

Granted I haven't had time to hunt for this particular one (I've had 8 houseguests for more than the past week), but I fear the best you'd be able to do is to narrow down the possibilities - as opposed to definitively i.d.'ing the coin.
It's never very satisfying to have a "possibly" attached to an attribution, but that may be required here. However, as I say, I haven't even had time to poke around. Have you? What are you leaning towards here? It might be easier if you would hunt around, let us know what your thesis is - and we can then offer up opinions.


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Can you post some details about how you got the coin or how it was labelled by the seller?


Spence asks an excellent question here - I too am really curious where you're finding all of these unattributed Greek AE's. Buying them by the lot? Fill us in, please.

And bear in mind, Coinnewbie3, that one of the most satisfying, fun aspects of the hobby is attributing coins. I suspect I'm preaching to the choir, but just want to make sure you're attempting to indulge in some of that fun yourself...

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Lot on ebay. seller seems fairly reliable. The seller claimed it is ancient greek. Was less than 1 euro.
Could this be Zeus( by the nose and beard)?

I am sure you cant get exact but can you narrow down where and when this could be? Seleucid? Ptolemy Egypt perhaps? The era? Has to be BC right?

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Could this be Zeus( by the nose and beard)?


Certainly. Zeus is among those covered by the "etc." in my bearded busts list. Zeuses that might fit the bill (including the cowlick) include issues from Eikonion/Iconium, Lycaonia; Poimanenon, Mysia; and various mints in Phrygia.

But, again, the problem here is that there are probably a number of AE's that meet the criteria...



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Was less than 1 euro.


Fantastic, even with the attribution challenge.
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Hmmm

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Hmmm


Also covered by my "etc."
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I know it did look a little like that... and I would think that, if it didnt have a green patina ( that looked very ancient)

if it wasnt extremely aged looking in a set of greek coins

and the coin wasnt 3x thicker( and heavier) than a Lincoln Penny as it is now hehe

Could it be one of Ptolemy dynasty with bust of Zeus? Ptolemy II or III?
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Could it be one of Ptolemy dynasty


Possible, I suppose, but Ptolemaic Zeuses are typically more disheveled looking, with wild hair.
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Good point bob.

I dont see any Ptolemy III that matches it
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