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2017 D (Lsc) Error? Need Help

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Hi new member but have read more forums in here then I care to admit. I found an interesting DDO I think? May not be of I know for sure though I would not be here posting about it lol. Let me know what you think.
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That's ok, I read more forums than I care to admit too
That there is an example of Die Deterioration Doubling, it occurs as the die wears. It causes the edge lettering to be stretched outward giving it the appearance of a doubled image. Unfortunately it is not a double die though
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Yea I figured it was not. Just was lacking the proper terminology. To be honest it looked too me like it was double struck. The letters are actually not stretched on the obverse so much as askew and a little higher. If you look at the word GOD you can see everything is off to the left side and higher up but the word is clearly printed twice
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I will however have it checked out tomorrow and will post results. I don't doubt that it could be Die Deterioration.... just no stretching of anything in the open field makes me not sure.
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I agree that it is Die Deterioration.

Since it is on the reverse, it would be called a DDR (Doubled Die Reverse) if it were a doubled die. It wouldn't be a DDO (Doubled Die Obverse).

Also, double struck is not the same as a doubled die.
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I also agree that what you see is Die Deterioration. What is seen between GOD and the rim is caused by the die being worn away by the metal flow that moves outward radially around the devices as the coin is struck, and that happens over and over, getting worse, until the letters are closer to/touching the rim and the die may be retired.
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Just Die Deterioration from a worn die (die wear).
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The reason I have a problem accepting this particular variation as DDD is because there is neither any stretching of letter tops nor any doubling of the tops.. The highlight and shadow areas clearly show us incuse between letter's top edges to rim, buildup from between the top-sides of letters to the rim and above void space as well -- such as above the valley in the letter "M.."

If someone / anyone can explain to me convincingly why this variety is classified as DDD I'll change my mind to accept that reasoning.. Until that time though, this variety to me remains undefined..

Swamp

PS: This is a partial reverse of a 2018-D (rather than a 2017-D) w/photo shot askew to better show highlights / shadows, especially between letter tops to rim..
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