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1918 Buffalo, Extremely Rusted Die.

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 Posted 06/30/2008  09:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Couldn't resist buying this one. Not pretty but interesting.

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Lower right field below chin

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Liberty, Ugly but somebodys gotta love it. Reverse die is perfect.
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 Posted 06/30/2008  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a heavily worn die. The die deteriorates (abrades) away with continued use. Thus the deterioration of the field/devices area on the coin. Heavy die wear is common through several years of coins made as the mint wanted to get their money worth out of their dies. (pun intended) The reason the reverse die looks normal is that the die was probably replaced and with a better one that was used on the obverse.
Here is an example of a Cent that was over used from the same time period.
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I don't rust had that much to do with as just plain die wear.
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 Posted 07/01/2008  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coop, Read your replies with great respect to your knowledge, but I have to disagree on this one. The raised pot marks, especilly in the field under the chin, are very simular to the rusted and pitted dies used on some of my Morgans. I'm always open to correction though.
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 Posted 07/01/2008  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MorgansRmine,
I would have to concur with your conclusion of rusted dies, that is alot of pitting
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 Posted 07/01/2008  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would also say rusted dies.

Coop, the worn die does have a similar appearance but if you notice on the worn die coin the marks have a "direction" caused by the flowing of the metal past the die time after time as the coins are struck. On the rusted dies of this nickel there is no direction apparent.
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 Posted 07/01/2008  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,
What does the reverse of the coin look like? If it is the same, I don't think it would be a severely rusted die scenario.

Can we see a picture of the reverse.

Thanks,
Bill
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Bill, couple a more pics.

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Also there seems to be some kind of minor lamination or planchet error with the L of liberty. The L falls into the spot that's missing.
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 Posted 07/02/2008  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

I wish I could see this one close up, My gut says that the coin was cleaned, perhaps harshly and that the cleaning removed a layer of corrosion from the obverse that resulted in the pitted surface.

Imagine the surface of the 1914/13 nickel in another post on these forums and now imagine the layer of corrosion having been removed. It would leave cleaned areas where bumps and depressions would be visible.

I can't be 100% sure from the pictures alone but I have reservations about the rusted die diagnosis:-)

It could be but I just see too many signs of a cleaning.

Thanks,
Bill
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07/02/2008 1:35 pm
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