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I bought this one some 20 years ago before I understood what harsh cleaning can do to a coin. How much do the markings affect its grade? I always thought it was an attractive item but it's almost unnatural looking! Image:  1906obv.jpg62.67 KB Image: 1906rev.jpg65.93 KB |
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Looks more like it,s been coated with shellac or lacquer. Way to much shine for a harsh cleaning. Maybe cleaned first and then coated.
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Rest in Peace
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It seems like the lower curl and the hair beneath liberty is a little worn (though I don't know if some Indian Head cents might have been struck like this), so unless that is the case, I'll go with AU 55 details cleaned. |
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It's so hard to detect cleaning from photos, but I think I see hairlines.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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I guess if the hairlines run the same direction across much of the coin, that's pretty good evidence of a cleaning, right?
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, that's what I look for--particularly if the lines are strong in the fields and then are absent near the transition to portrait and lettering. I even catch dealers doing this, hence my photo remark--I won't buy IHCs off ebay anymore. |
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So in your opinion what is the best means of acquiring decent IHCs to complete a set? For whatever reason coin shops are few and far between on the north side of Houston! I have to rely on ebay and this big flea market near my house. |
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KurtS, not even with a good return policy?
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I guess if the hairlines run the same direction across much of the coin, that's pretty good evidence of a cleaning, right? you should first determine if the hairlines are raised over coin surface or scratched into it. if it raised, it can be caused by mint technician polishing the dies. (very much like mirror cleaning) those coins actually will considered as prized coins, and will grade very high as they will have strong luster, and even more important character and uniqueness, and even more unique is to have few coins with the exact same hairlines... as they come fresh from the polished dies. I wish I knew this in my youth, as I trashed some very prized coins thinking they are cleaned  expensive lesson (am just generally speaking, I cant tell on your specific coin from the pictures, and after second look I dont think thats the case as usually the raised lines will show only on the fields) Edited by leprecoin
07/03/2008 07:04 am
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Interesting stuff there, Leprecoin. I've never heard that before but it makes total sense.
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Pillar of the Community
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"...not even with a good return policy?" In the case of ebay, I guess that depends. I recall one case where I bought 10 IHCs from a well-known dealer there, and they were so wrapped up in the "original packaging" that I couldn't tell a few where whizzed (brushed). Once I unpacked them, and could see...they were mine.  So from now on, I only buy IHCs at shows--excepting spotting a steal where I'll risk no return. |
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Here's an example of polished dies. (a bit similar to cracked dies) am sure others can contribute. probably a good topic by its own right Image: polish.jpg33.08 KB |
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you should first determine if the hairlines are raised over coin surface or scratched into it. if it raised, it can be caused by mint technician polishing the dies. (very much like mirror cleaning)
those coins actually will considered as prized coins, and will grade very high as they will have strong luster, and even more important character and uniqueness, and even more unique is to have few coins with the exact same hairlines... as they come fresh from the polished dies. I wish I knew this in my youth, as I trashed some very prized coins thinking they are cleaned expensive lesson
(am just generally speaking, I cant tell on your specific coin from the pictures, and after second look I dont think thats the case as usually the raised lines will show only on the fields)
You see this fairly often on Lincoln's too. I've had quite a few that could easily be mistaken for being cleaned by the non-trained eye. I've also had many that have such strong flow lines they almost look cleaned. I have a BU Lincoln in the for sale section right now with some of the most powerful flow lines I've ever seen. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Pillar of the Community
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I might add for IHCs planchet "woodgrain" for some years can be confused as harsh cleaning. I have an 1870, which are notoriously bad for alloy problems, that I first thought was cleaned.
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I have a BU Lincoln in the for sale section right now with some of the most powerful flow lines I've ever seen <---Mellowed :) Will you link me? I couldn't find it. Edited by leprecoin
07/07/2008 7:49 pm
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Is that the Minnesota Vikings, or are you talking actual Vikings that pillage, and stuff? :-)
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Posted 07/02/2008 10:18 am
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