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How Do You Tell If A Coin Has Been Previously Cleaned?

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 Posted 07/22/2018  11:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nonna to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Trying to understand more about coins, and I need some help. I found this listing for a 1914 S Wheat penny and it says that it appears to have an old cleaning on the front. It looks normal to me. How do you tell?

https://www. (207) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed .com/item/here-is-a-vf-1914-s-very-fine-lincoln-wheat-cent-h6311-258834/
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 Posted 07/22/2018  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Link not working.
If it is an ebay listing, just post the 12 digit item no.
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 Posted 07/22/2018  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The website is "not allowed" on CCF. I looked up the listing on this not allowed website. The coin appears to have a light color on the obverse and light hairlines, leading me to believe it has an old cleaning that has "toned over."
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 Posted 07/22/2018  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nonna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


How-Do-You-Tell-If-A-Coin-Has-Been-Previously-Cleaned?

Sorry about the link. Here is a photo. The item was not on ebay.
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 Posted 07/22/2018  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nonna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am looking for light hairlines Silverdollar 2017, but I don't see them....I don't know what I looking for.
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 Posted 07/22/2018  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The very best way to learn what a cleaned Lincoln, or any other coin looks like cleaned is to do it yourself. I know that there will be a million screaming collectors shouting that you should never clean a coin, and I agree 99.99% of the time. But does anyone really care if a 1957 P Lincoln in EF gets cleaned? Obviously there will be.

So here's the thing. There are a million bad ways to clean a coin. For copper, such as the Lincoln, what you will find is that if you use common household formulas you will already gain a good idea of what happens with various cleaning types. A soft toothbrush and soap, a soft cloth and cleaners of various types, and so on. There are lots of coin cleaning solutions out there, too.

Leave them after you've cleaned them so that they can continue to oxidize after cleaning. What you will find is that after a Lincoln (preferably actually needing a cleaning) will simply never get the same "natural" coloration back after you've cleaned them. Let them set for a while, with examples of (to your knowledge) normal uncleaned examples. Even after years, the color still won't be right.

Also, be sure to understand that unless there was abrasive cleaning, such as with a wool pad that leaves parallel scratches, it's tough to be certain in knowing if the photos of coins you see are good enough to see cleaning.

We often have coins photos provided here that half the knowledgeable collectors will say is cleaned, while the other half doesn't believe they are cleaned.

Photos are not the best way to decided cleaned or not cleaned, but it's still better than the old days when all we had was a dealers VF or BU to guide us.

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 Posted 07/22/2018  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Usually a cleaned copper coin by an inexperienced person will display a dull pink color . Nickel is harder to tell. Silver sometimes can be harder to tell if it was a light cleaning long ago but easily noticed if the coin was harshly cleaned . Experience is your answer .
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 Posted 07/22/2018  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for not tossing a brick at me T-Bop
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T-BOP- Good feedback on
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Experience is your answer
and no bricks here moxking.

A good word for this subject could also be subjective, unless you're a total expert or professional grader.
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 Posted 07/22/2018  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimNWLincoln to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Darkness around the date vs brighter area above the date indicates a cleaning to me.

If you look at alot of 1914-s Lincoln cents for sale on ebay you will start to see which one have a more natural look.

I agree with the one comment about experimenting your self. If you lived nearby, I would loan you my supply of eZest and other chemicals that will take an old penny and make it shinny new. Of course it does not add back the worn off wheat lines or other wear that the coin has been thru....

There is also re-toning... which also takes a keen eye to spot.
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coop should start a "Cleaned Coin? True or False" thread. Heck, he probably already has!
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 Posted 07/23/2018  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And have a prize to whoever guess's the most correct .
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Thanks for not tossing a brick at me T-Bop

Heck man we old timers have to stick together .
But the thought had slipped through my mind .
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 Posted 07/23/2018  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I usually look for dirt inside letters or numbers with a place for those to hide. Such as inside a e or o or something like that.
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But the thought had slipped through my mind.


Yes, it's a problem when the thoughts slip through our minds plus we (I) can't see the coins!


This whole cleaning thing; I guess most of us know it when we see it. For me, if I need the coin details free I'll buy it slabbed.
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 Posted 07/23/2018  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nonna, for the coin you posted the easiest thing to see is the haloing effect. look around the date, and you see the dark shadow, then the lighter field in front of Lincoln.

that image is not a great one, to see any real details of the coin.

I would suggest passing on this one, if you have concerns about the condition you will always have those concerns. And trying to resell a coin that has been cleaned is not easy.

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