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Batch Of Spanish Reales Possibly Fake

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Hi all,

This is my first post! I'm very new to the world of coins since I recently inherited a collection of 12 Spanish reales, Mexican mint dating from 1516 to 1700. They had spent decades mounted on a velvet-lined board with glue! After doing some online research I'm beginning to think some of these are forgeries. For instance, the Carlos and Johanna Column reales seem suspiciously light and flimsy and don't have the weight of silver. A few of these have a golden colour on them where the glue had been. I don't know if this is some chemical reaction between the glue and silver, or it's the glue that has revealed another cheaper metal below. Also, I've been unable to find good matches to some of them. The ½ real for instance is missing the mint that should be located to the left of the "P". The large 8 real which has a date of 1760 has a very unusual pattern I haven't seen anywhere else online.

I was planning on having these sent in for grading, in the hopes that at least some of them are authentic, but not sure if it's worth it. I'm hoping to get advice on whether these may be real or forgeries (and worth sending in for grading). My grandfather specialized in 16th/17th C Spanish antiques and I would be surprised if he had bought fakes.

If they are real (pun intended), I'm also hoping to sell them all at once, even if at a reduced cost. Where would be the best place to do this? Dealer? ebay? I have a larger collection of Mexican coins and paper money of VG-XF quality I want to sell together (reduced price if necessary). I'm reluctant to sell these off one by one since I don't have the time. Is there any dealer or auction house that specializes in Mexican/Spanish coins that would buy them outright?

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No idea on if they are real or not, but I'm sure some with the knowledge will chime in.

From what I can see I think some of them spent some or their spent time as a love pendant, and then some other just look like silver possibly with counterstamps rather than proper struck coins.
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Dan Sedwick specializes in these kind of coins. https://www.sedwickcoins.com/
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As others have said, there are some experts here who will be able to comment.

I'm not one of them (experts), but will just say if they are fakes, they are the sorriest batch of fakes I've seen posted here (cracks, holes, uneven tarnish, etc.)

Glueing would probably have two effects: the glued area will not tarnish/tone/oxidize in the same way as the un-glued area. SO it would not be unusual for the glued area to be lighter. And, as you say, depending on the type of adhesive, it could also react with the coin.
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Nice coins
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Given the appearance it is hard not to believe the coins are mostly fakes. Gluing coins to display them indicates a certain lack of value even if the display was made over a century ago.

Even if they are fakes, they are of interest and they do have some value. I do not specialize in the early cob coins so I can not be certain.


You should weigh them and if possible determine a specific gravity for them. Silver is 10.31. Copper - nickel and most other base metals are all near 9.00.
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