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Help With Unknown China Coin Needed (Id: Kweichow Province 20 Cent Fake)

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I normally find many Chinese coins in my books, but I did not readily find this particular one. I lean towards Kweichow Province and the 8th year of the republic (1919) based on bits and pieces of characters in the legend. Can anyone point me in the right direction to identify if this is or is not an imitation of an official issue? And if it is, then what catalog number it could be?

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I checked it out without seeing the coin in question.
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@albert, I agree with you that it doesn't appear to be listed on numista (although I cut the universe of possibilities down considerably by refining the search to just Chinese coins that also mention the number 10.

Can you please provide some information about how you got this coin? Also, is it attracted to a magnet? Is it the right specific gravity for silver? I'm wondering if it could maybe be a made-for-tourist fake that has the obv side authentically reproduced, but muled with a fanciful rev side. Otherwise, I'm stumped.
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It has a very slight attraction to a magnet. It is not silver. I collect and catalog Chinese fakes. Many are imitations of legitimate coins. But some are oddballs and are fabrications of the fake makers. I need to determine if there is or is not a legitimate coin that looks like this one. It is of the 10 cent size. I thumbed through Kann and Ming without seeing a similar item. For my catalog needs, I need to determine if this item is just a fabrication or if it does imitate a legitimate coin- a coin from an issuing authority, and if so, what source and what date? I know it's not genuine, I just want to know if it imitates a genuine coin or not.
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Ok now I better understand your question. I think that one key might be to find an actual Chinese coin that has the odd crenulations along the periphery. It is vaguely similar to the border of this 10 fen: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces9381.html, but still significantly different. If I find anything closer, i'll let you know.
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I'll continue to search more catalogs, but when I look at the legend, I now wonder if it might be 1949 and not 1919 at all.
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Yes, the claimed year is "Year 38" (1949).
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For now I've decided it is a very well made and clever fake based on the same pattern as the 1949 Kweichow 20 cent piece.
The outer legends are right. The inner legend would be right for this coin if it was ever a genuine issue.
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