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Rarity Of Early British Milled Crowns

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Hi, after starting with the common pre-decimals and then backtracking to the hammered coins of yore, I've gotten into early milled. Having watched a few auctions it seems that it isn't particular expensive to obtain William III crowns, even those of Charles II, but I get some indication that the early Georgian ones might be somehow rarer? They seem to fetch more regularly. Would I be correct in assuming that half crowns and crowns of George I and II are scarer than those of the preceeding monarchs?
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I think the price guides relating to English and British coins can provide a reasonable idea of scarcity vs. condition, for the various denominations, monarchs, and condition.

Tony Clayton Coin Values is reasonably good in this regard.
As with U.S. coins English and British milled silver in superior grades can get rather pricey.
He has a reasonably comprehensive price guide on line.

I have a 1662 first type Charles 11 Crown in about VG condition. Didn't cost me much, but that was decades ago.
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Hi,


I visited the Tony Clayton website and one of the links was to the "coins of the UK" website, if that's the right one. Strangely the values listed do not correspond at all with the many auctions I've watched for various denominations and monarchs. The auction prices always fell short by a long way. Unless of course they didn't account for auctions but fixed price offerings by major dealers only. Not that I'm complaining, since I got a Charles II crown below the stated value!

On a side note, I'm about to get a consecutive date set for my Charles II collection soon!
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I hardly ever see George I or George II crowns on sale anywhere in any condition. Crowns of other reigns from Charles II to Anne are quite plentiful, and there are lots of the 1818-20 George III type around. I've been looking for a decent, low-grade George I or George II crown for my collection for years - even one that has been pierced or mounted in the past - and you just never see them. If you do find one for sale, it will be in at least VF condition (British VF) and will have a very big price tag.

I imagine there may have been plenty of crowns in circulation in 1715, and fewer new ones were required - or perhaps they decided to concentrate on lower denominations and not strike so many crowns.
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Tony Claytons values are like coin catalog values.
As such they would help to give an idea if relative scarcities, one issue and condition against another.

For due diligence on actual price research auction prices realised give a better picture of the real world.
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You need to take the prices from auctions that have internet access as the land based auction sites that publish do not all have such operations and drives the final hammer price way below a fair market price IMO. I would go as far as to say those who do not want business from the internet are severely reducing their potential profits. Ask the question why? All in house deals best pals act and many other less than reputable dealings go on and give misleading values to coins.Use as many sources as you can except scambay ignore that place on anything it prints
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