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It's not a Doubled Die Obverse or a Doubled Die Reverse. There's no signs of notching, doubling, or extra thickness. Just a combination of Die Deterioration and Machine Doubling. It also looks like you have a Broken Die Post on the mint mark (filled in mint mark) and also have a Broken Mint Mark Punch issue as well. Errers and Varietys.
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Look at the LIBER there is s notches there. If you look at the 1983D on VV and CC you will see the LIBER will look the same. The mint mark is DD, I believe cause it got a divide at both serif. The Broken mink mark can not look that way.This is the "E" of AMERICA  The Mint in the difference angle  Take a look more closely |
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Bate, the mint mark being a Doubled Die isn't possible, since mint marks were hand punched until 1990.
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I do not think you look and read my post E-n-V. This coin is 1985 D. Your respond is fast but not accurate. Please go through my post and pics then comment.  Here the Mint mark  |
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#1) There is NO known DDR for 1985D #2) That split on the R is WWWAAAAYYY too much for a DD, is stretching deterioration. #3) No RPM either...real close, but notice the tilt of the D and tiny bit of location differences   |
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I do not think you look and read my post E-n-V. This coin is 1985 D. Your respond is fast but not accurate. Please go through my post and pics then comment. I'm done. I'm moving on to a different topic. I tried to help you, but I don't think it's good enough. BTW, I've looked clearly, and I see nothing.  Errers and Varietys.
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08/01/2018 4:32 pm
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Thanks Carzyb0 but look at this Why?  |
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E-n-V..do not be Mad.. You say "Bate, the mint mark being a Doubled Die isn't possible, since mint marks were hand punched until 1990" How could it be not possible when this mint mark were made before 1996. This is a 1985D.  Edited by Bate
08/01/2018 4:35 pm
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I'm sorry. It's just sometimes not easy to explain this stuff. That's part of the reason why I'm frustrated. Maybe someone that knows more than I do can explain this. I've failed unfortunately, and I hope I'll get better at this eventually.
Errers and Varietys.
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08/01/2018 4:47 pm
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Bate, what happens to a nail head the more you hammer it? It spreads out. If you were to look at that head with a scope, you'd see a cross-hatch design like ######. Hammering will spread things out, right? Well, this is somewhat what happens to the dies after multiple hammerings together (hence we call them HAMMER and ANVIL dies). The details on that nail will stretch out, as the metal becomes smashed time and again....same as the dies, it stretches. It is a solid material, what happens to solids when pulled? It tears and rips apart. Now, think microscopically, the die metal is moving, by microns...something's gonna give eventually. Then we get cracks, splits on the inside depth of a device(like the R), the metal "deteriorates" off the weakened edges of the devices, particularly with metal flow towards the rim.
Now, I do agree that the mintmark looks interesting, I don't think it's deterioration alone...I'll do some more checking.
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I'll make another box here. Take a look at LIBERTY, just saw the reflection on the upper left of all the devices, see the beginnings of a split...towards the rim? There's metal flow and stretching. Also note the mushiness of the letters.  Now for the mintmark. It is a tripled MD motion in the westerly direction.  Why do you see it JUST on the mintmark (do you ask  ). Well, remember that the MM was punched in by hand. If the device was imprinted deeper in the die than the design, then it is the device that first "catches" the die bounces.  Edited by Crazyb0
08/01/2018 5:16 pm
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Crazybo that explanation is very details. I see triple mint like you do. On the LIBERTY ..is that a trail die? E-n-V there is nothing to be sorry. You have been helping people out in this forum, sometimes you read too many post at the same time and you answer to a wrong post  . Crazyb0, the R is really weird to me..that why I need helps. Be happy, we are all learning at the end of life. Thanks again guy  |
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What makes a RPM? Punching from the mint mark punch deeper into the already hardened ski. So if there was a RPM, it would be raised and wider in shape. I'm just seeing a normal mint mark with die wear and slight MD on the west side. When you enlarge an image to much, your looking too hard. They should just jump out at you. If it is too minor, save it, but remember the amount of time and expense of trying to match something that is probably not listed.
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Haha Bate! I guess my brain was fried from helping people out a lot. I think I burnt myself out earlier. :)
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Bate, no, Liberty is just deterioration.
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