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Help Anthropologist Verifying A 1795, 1804, And 1879 Coin?

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Hi all,
I'm an American student conducting anthropological research in Myanmar and, though my research has nothing to do with numismatics, a friend there asked me to find out if 5 coins he has are real or fake.

From what little I can glean reading about these coins, I think they are likely fakes. But I'm no expert! And I have no right to give him bad news unless I'm sure. He needs some kind of answer though, and there's not really anywhere in Myanmar that he can go for advice.

I'm hoping that folks on this forum can help me. Please accept my apologies if I should be posting this somewhere else.

Kind regards,
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 Posted 08/01/2018  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ploopy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


You're right, they are all counterfeit.
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Thank you Ploopy. I want to be able to explain to him why that's the conclusion--are there obvious things that you can point out?

From one I have quickly read, the ones purporting to be from 1804 are easy to assess as fake, I think, because the spacing of the stars is not correct; and the gold one should be silver. And it would be surprising to find another 1804 silver dollar given how rare they are!

I don't know what to say about the 1879 and the 1795 however...
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For all these coins, the detail is wrong. Stars, denticles, letters, and the bust are indicative of a Chinese fake. As well, the surfaces look very grainy and suspect. The surfaces are a clear sign the coin is a cast fake. These all appear to be common Chinese counterfeits.
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Ok got it. Thanks very much!
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They don't look anything like a real coin, take the Morgan dollar:

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Or the flowing Hair dollar (1795):

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and when you consider that all 8 Know 1804 dollars reside in museums or private collections worth 8 figures...
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Did he win those at the Carnival?
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Definitely fakes. Keep digging!



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Does anyone know what that 1879 is even supposed to be? A Trade dollar of some kind? Tried to find some history on this one but failed just some commentary on the metallurgy.
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Does anyone know what that 1879 is even supposed to be? A Trade dollar of some kind? Tried to find some history on this one but failed just some commentary on the metallurgy.


It's a goloid pattern dollar. These were patterns, never issued for circulation; only a few were struck to demonstrate to government officials the experimental concept of a mixed gold-silver alloy to use for coinage. The probability of a genuine goloid pattern finding it's way to Burma is zero - just like the probability of a genuine 1804 or 1795 dollar in the same circumstances.

As for the coins generally, yes, they are all supposed to be silver dollars, and I can guarantee that none of them will actually be made of silver. They are also likely to be significantly underweight (probably around 20 grams, as opposed to the regulation 26.7 grams) These "southeast Asian replicas" are generally of lower quality than the Chinese-made replicas that are flooding the market these days. The mushy details on these coins signify a low-grade casting (they probably all have a "casting seam" on the edge) and the re-engraved details are simply crude; finally, the black blotchy "toning" is smeared on them to try to make them look old.
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...and probably bought at a street market.
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Some of these fakes, although looking similar to silver, are likely attracted to a refrigerator magnet. Demonstrating this and comparing the weights of these fakes with the actual weights, given in a coin catalog, will likely prove convincing to a doubter.
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To CCF! These are definitely not legitimate coins. They're fake.
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All are fakes, unfortunately.
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