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Proof Coins In Circulated Sets... How Do You Feel?

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 Posted 08/16/2018  11:50 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add samsnate to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm really on the fence about this one. I realize it's a matter of preference but I thought I would see how everyone else feels about having proof coins to fill a hole in their date sets. Now I realize that some proof coins might be necessary to fill dates that were only available in sets but aside from that, I feel like having a proof coin to fill a hole where a circulated coin or a coin that was made for circulation is available makes the set, less genuine. I've been going through my coins and noticed that some of the years I have are proof coins and it kinda bugs me. It got me wondering how everyone else feels about it. Thoughts/ feelings?
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 Posted 08/16/2018  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It depends on what you are intending to represent in the collection. If it is a circulated date set then Proof coins are interlopers. If it is simply a date set, then the proof coin is a legitimate component... as long as the proof coin is the same in all attributes save finish. The RCM releases two proof sets annually, a Silver Proof and a base metal proof ( and sometimes more if in the mood). If a date set is the intent, a base metal proof would be legit... A Silver Proof would be beginning to stretch.

I split collections into Specimen, Proof and Base Metal and given the current releases from the mint, I see no difference between the annual uncirculated packs and the base metal coins from the wild... except it is easier to capture from an unc set.

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 Posted 08/16/2018  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not clear your question. What "sets" are you in reference to. A one a year type set, or say a #2 album of Lincoln's w/proofs? This latter one I would see no big deal, although a contemporary set like this with proofs isn't worth squat unless the business strikes are MS grades, circulated won't CT it. I'm trying to think of a type set where you may have to use a proof... like the Shield nickel where the 1878 and 1879(think it was) we're proof only? For that one, since very few minted, should be skipped IMHO, cost prohibitive. Same with coins like the 1913 Liberty V nickel or the 1933 $20 St Gauden's.
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Does the collection book say "circulated" or is that just what you perceive it to be? My thought is that if it says date & mint mark as long as it goes in the appropriate slot it doesn't matter. But if you don't feel that way you would not be satisfied doing it the way someone else does it. Follow your own feelings because in the end you are the one you have to please.
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 Posted 08/16/2018  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samsnate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Talking Canadian coins only here. American is a different breed imo. Some years Canada only made some coins only available in sets and didn't have any made for production.

For me, my collection is a date set with circulated coins or intended for circulation thus a MS 65 was never circulated but was intended to be therefore can be used. The only exception I really make is gathering a date that may have been only available in proof sets. Or rather I should maybe say proof like sets. That wording might be the one I needed to use. Not sure, I don't dabble with specimen and proof sets and proof like sets etc etc. My collection is very basic.

I didn't know if others were like me but don't mind the proof coins as a filler. Like I mentioned in OP, for me, seeing a slightly frosted coin looks amazing but bugs me.
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I have done the same thing with my Canadian coin sets; especially the 50c, $1, and $2 coins. The reason I did it was because I was getting superb looking proof or specimen coins for the same price (or sometimes cheaper) than circulated coins. This happened years ago and now I'm not positive what is what in my folders, but some are MUCH nicer than the others.

I don't plan right now to replace the specimen/proof coins with circulated; possibly in the future.
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It depends on what you are after.

I want to say I have one of every Kennedy half ever made. So I include every mint-produced specimen including the special issue proofs, special non-proofs, varieties (like the straight and flared FG varieties) and all DDOs, DDRs, and RPMs that are readily visible. I even include the list of Daniel Carr overstrikes.

I am not so interested in doing this with other series. If the coins are in albums, I do not like empty holes.
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I have two albums containing my British decimal coins, and I put proof coins in the album, such as 1972, 1973 and 1974 2 pence pieces, where no circulating coins were struck. If a coin was not issued for circulation but was struck in both proof and BU specimen sets, I'll put a proof or BU specimen in the album, depending on which I can get more easily.
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I do them separately. If a circulation finish coin wasn't issued then I skip that year in my circulation collection. But it will appear in my PL/NBU, Specimen and/or proof collections as applicable. But that's just me because I collect everything pre-2015 so finish is the 3rd level of my organization. Country - Province/State (if applicable) - Finish - Denomination - Year - Mint Mark (if applicable) / Variety / Composition etc.
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I see no difference between the annual uncirculated packs and the base metal coins from the wild... except it is easier to capture from an unc set.


That's correct. The RCM finished phasing out the NBU finish in the sets (Successor to the PL finish) several years ago. Check Charlton Vol 2 or some other source to see which sets contain NBU coins and which contain UNC (Circulation finish) coins. The specialty sets (NHL, O Canada etc) were switched first and then the regular 6/7 coin sets a few years later. I'm vaguely thinking 2011 was the last year but don't have my catalogue here to confirm.
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I started my loonie collection with circulated coins. But didn't like the missing spots for 97 to 2001 when no circulation ones were available. So I filled these holes with proof coins. That morphed the whole set into proofs. So do what ever you want and enjoy the collecting.
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I collect circulating coins, so if the coin wasn't released for circulation then I don't even include it in my list. All my coins are found through change or CRH. The best I can hope for is a new roll from the mint. I enjoy finding the best example of each coin, but not paying more than face value, so as a result I don't buy mint sets.

So to answer your question, it's highly unlikely a proof coin would ever find its way into my main collection, and if I found one I'd definitely keep it, but it wouldn't replace the circulating version.

I have found a 2001 loonie that's likely from a broken set. It's in my collection as sort of an "extra".
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I started my loonie collection with circulated coins. But didn't like the missing spots for 97 to 2001 when no circulation ones were available. So I filled these holes with proof coins. That morphed the whole set into proofs. So do what ever you want and enjoy the collecting.


Same here, the OCD in me would struggles with the 1997-2001 loonies and 2003/4? 50 cent if I remember correctly. Otherwise collect the other finishes separately, with 1 exception, the 1973 25cent large bust, I have the specimen version, not going to bother buying an MS version at their current price.
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