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Possible Gold Ancient? Or Just A Chunk Of Gold?

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Just doing a quick verification for a customer - I am not familiar with gold ancients, and the customer seems to think that this was a coin. It is a high karat of gold approx 22k, but I can find no markings at all other than the 3 holes in the pictures. Would appreciate anyones feedback. Thank you!
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@enzeno, the back side of this piece is also devoid of markings, right? If so, it isn't really a "coin". The piercings might have been made in this piece to facilitate its use in jewelry, but that is just a guess. I can't see how it is worth more than melt.
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What's the weight?

The fabric would seem to suggest medieval Arabic or European, but I have never seen one worn completely smooth. There were no blank coins from that time, and I have never seen or heard of an un-struck gold flan from that time.

It is a curious piece, but worth no more than melt.
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Thanks for the responses so quickly! Yes the pictures actually show the front and the back. First 2 are the front, last 2 or the back (or vice versa!) So both sides are blank.

The weight of the coin is 8.8 grams.

I agree that I don't believe its a coin but just wanted to throw it out there.
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If it was a coin it has been hammered flat, the three holes suggest it hung from something.
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The holes suggest to me that it is a made-for-jewellery piece. Presumably part of a much larger piece of jewellery, such as a middle-eastern woman's headpiece. Such objects are traditionally made using coins, but when genuine gold coins are not cheap nor easily available, substitutes such as this are made.
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I think Sap is right. It remenber me the pieces of jewellery in use in the Arab world,made with coins since centuries . albert
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My initial thought was belly dancer coin, but those are A) Usually made of brass, B) Usually modeled after Ottoman coins, and C) Paper thin so they aren't heavy.

8.8 grams of 22k gold (according to the calculator I used) is worth upwards of $300 melt. It would have to be a centerpiece (unless it was originally part of something more elaborate and VERY heavy), but it doesn't look like a centerpiece.

Maybe it really is just a hammered piece of gold made to be hidden, e.g. stitched into the seam of a piece of clothing? If you were a goldsmith, it probably would have been possible to steal a little bit of gold from each project, and create a few pieces like this as an emergency fund.

I could be way off, but it's fun to speculate!
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Thank you everyone for your responses. I think that the final assumption is that it is possible that it was once a coin, but can no longer be identified as such, and thus now just gold. I am going to try to get the exact purity of it and post it back here if I can. Thanks again, this is one of the most helpful communities I am part of.
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