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I'm continuing to extend a long running thread on the counterfeit forum regarding Greatsoutherncoin's auctioning of counterfeit gold (see 372426340519 that was sold last night). I bid on this coin and was going to burn one of my PCGS coupons to get this coin 'certified.'

Question: Can I create a new ebay ID and bid if GSC has banned me from bidding on another ebay name?

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 Posted 09/10/2018  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see why not,as long as you use a different email and bank account.
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 Posted 09/10/2018  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My long standing philosophy was don't bid on anything from GSC if it's not slabbed.
But for the last several years the philosophy has changed to don't bid on anything from GSC.
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 Posted 09/10/2018  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If nothing else, their practice of enhancing photographs to the point that the coin doesn't look anything like the real photographs removed them from my possible sellers.

I received a Photoshop Gold $5 that had a HUGE gouge on the reverse, most certainly causing the coin to detail if it were submitted. When I went back to look at the sale again, the coin I had in my hand and those photos did indeed prove the coin was the one they sent, but the photos had been altered to the point that about 3 grades of MS were "covered over".

I politely requested return, waited a week with no response, sent another email (all through ebay), still didn't hear from them, turned it over to ebay, returned the coin, then ebay had to wait to confirm receipt, and then it took another week to actually get the refund. All during this time I didn't hear a word from them from several emails.

About a year later they had a NGC coin that I had been searching for forever, a true 63 $2.50 from 1897. When I attempted to bid, I found out they had blocked me.

I've never looked at another thing they offered.

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I wouldn't bid on anything from GSC if I were you. They are known to take deceptive photos and sell polished/damaged coins without mentioning it in the description or title.
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I think the last few posts are a bit off track from the OP question. If you can prove they are peddling counterfeit gold coins, by all means, please do. I would love to see another nail in their pine box..
We (CCF members) all know this is not the place to go for choice raw coins and even TPG certified coins constantly sell for a larger premiums than most other sellers realize. There is no reason for me to not exclude GSC from from saved ebay searches.
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(see 372426340519 that was sold last night)

Whether or not it is real or counterfeit I do not know. I do know it is one UGLY coin, and if BU is supposed to stand for brilliant uncirculated, that's a joke.

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To answer your question about creating another account if you have been blocked.....

"Registering new accounts to avoid buying and selling restrictions or limits, or other policy consequences, is not allowed on ebay."

Even though GSC is a scammer and deserves all the bad that can come to them tread lightly. I would only create a new account by using completely different names, contact info and addresses.
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So is banning a person a 'buying restriction?' I kinda think so. But if I bid, win and pay, then I should be afforded all the normal protections ebay offers including protection from purchasing counterfeit coins, and compensation for all subsequent costs. And buying a fake gold coin from GSC is easy; he has many for sale every week. His hi-res images are a double edged sword. But getting past his ebay Handler is tough as big sellers are offered another layer of defense. For example, GSC regularly posts 'bid' values for his raw coins, a no-no per ebay's written rules, but his ebay Handler allows it.
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Being blocked would be a "buying restriction" I would think.

My understanding is when you are blocked as a Buyer you are blocked under ANY user ID you have available to you or that you might create.

People get around it by using different IP addresses, different mailing addresses, different emails, bank accounts/credit cards. Could you still get caught? Sure.

ebay is trying to protect the Seller from what is called "malicious and unwelcome bidding". His "handler" is just another layer of protection he has at his disposal.

As much as we don't like GSC ebay does because GSC pays a hefty fee to ebay every month and ebay likes his money.









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 Posted 09/10/2018  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the Seller doesn't want you as a customer, you should not want to do business with him.
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with Jimbucks!
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I agree with Jimbucks!
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Thanks for this info. How can you tell it's fake?
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It's not a buying restriction. A buying restriction would have to come from ebay not one of their scummy sellers
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to what end? if you successfully win an item, and prove it is a fake coin, you at best can get your money back, you will be out the certification fees. And with a big hitter as this seller is, one hit won't take them out of the ball game..
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