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Need Assistance Finding KM# For German Coin

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Hello all,
Can someone please identify to me the KM#, if there is one, for this coin. I have searched the internet for a couple of hours to no avail.
4 Mariengroschen, 1672 IH
Obverse lettering: 9.EINEN.R.THALER.1672
Reverse: GREF.LIPP.SIL.B.MUNZ
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KM#82 Earldom of lippe
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Thanks for trying, Zac.
I checked Numista for KM#82. The one they display looks similar, but not the same.
Also, NGC shows KM#82 as being different from both MINE and Numista.
NGC states that "varieties exist". Could this be why I cannot locate a picture of my exact coin?

Anyone?
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Close. KM 83.

Lippe-Detmold, 1672-IH 4 Mariengroschen (1/9 Thaler)

My SCGC (2nd Ed.) shows mintage of only 12,000, and this design was only used in 1672 (with several varieties.)
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@fplagge, I agree that varieties exist and any one picture of an example that you find on the interwebs may have small differences in the inscriptions. With that said, my 2014 version of Krause indicates that KR#82 has the date on the same side as the HS monogram. KM#83, on the other hand, has the date in the rev legend (as does yours). In my mind, this attribution is a better fit for your coin.



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Sorry, Spence!!

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Well, Gentlemen,

I feel a bit overwhelmed.

Just scanning the world for Germany KM#82 I have found at least five variations - NONE of which match my coin.

Paralyse's KM#83 comes just as close as any variety of KM#82 I have seen.

For a coin with a mintage of only 12,000 - 14,000, I am starting to believe that no two are alike. (Kidding, of course)

At any rate, unless someone can provide proof to the contrary, I will list my coin as KM#82 (with apologies to Zac).

Thanks to all for the comments.

I will keep a lookout here for any further input.
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Quote:
I will list my coin as KM#82 (with apologies to Zac).


Do you mean KM #83?
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No, I did mean KM#82

The apology was for my mistaken belief that Zac's suggestion of KM#82 was inaccurate.
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