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Nice 1972 Penny With Some Doubling?

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 Posted 09/16/2018  7:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add quarinteen to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello I am new to coin hunting. I have collected silver for years but never for errors or anything like that. I recently got into coin hunting. I am really enjoying penny and dimes.

I have found some really nice condition 70's and 80's I never knew that coins that were really high graded with out errors or anything sold for anything until I saw a normal 1985 penny that was graded MS 68+ red go for like $5,000

So I have found some really nice examples I want to post. I also have a wuestion. On the grades what does the Red mean?




Now here is my penny Looks like there might be doubling on the G not sure but its still really nice. Would this be worth grading? If you need better pictures please let me know.

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09/16/2018 8:00 pm
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 Posted 09/16/2018  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're new, so I'll give you a bit of a break, but will give you one major piece of advice. Take that video and those like it and erase them. For some reason, people start drooling over these videos and books, getting the idea it is possible and actually quite probable for anyone to achieve such great____________ (fill in the blanks) after reading/viewing such dribble. It stirs the emotion and inflames tremendous "I gotta wanna haves". It seldom ever happens.

You say your a silver searcher/stacker. Do you know grading? Do you know what it takes to find such a pristine example of such a coin to be certified? Do you even know the steps of attribution, certification, where-who-how to sell it? Are you prepared to do all of what it may take to get to the point of answering all these...with your eyes shut and walking backwards chewing gum at the same time?

Those all may sound silly, but this doesn't happen by happenstance, it takes diligent sustained CORRECT effort to be able to do this in this industry. Are there some "lucky" ones. Sometimes there are, like any lottery winner tho, it's all chance, and it doesn't happen that often.


Now let's go to your questions. You even have a clue what you have in your pix? Doubt it, not even a guess? It's nothing more than MD, it is not an error, it holds no premium. If I objectively tear into grading your coin, you will be sorely disappointed. Let's just say it won't grade high enough to warrant a submission to a TPG. The unspoken rule is your coin needs to be worth over $150 to offset the costs of submission, mailings, insurance, etc. If you want, I will nit pick your very common date 1974D LMC and show you just why it will not achieve a high grade even tho it is "shiny and Red" if you ask. But it would get about a MS64 tops. One list it as raw worth a whopping $.30 in MS65

Red(RD) just means it still retains the original mint color(luster)
Red/Brown(RB) means that the natural tendency of any metal to oxidize and tone is beginning to happen and has darkened slightly but has at lest 30% of luster left.
Brown(BN) just means it has less than 30% luster and has turned it's brown color naturally.

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 Posted 09/16/2018  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add quarinteen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I removed the video as requested.

Back to my question sorry if you answered it and I missed it. On the G and maybe O in god is there no doubling?
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 Posted 09/16/2018  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add quarinteen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another angle.. Maybe doubling on the O too?

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I agree with Crazyb0. That's Machine Doubling that you're seeing. If you want to research real doubled dies, go here, and read about them. http://doubleddie.com/
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 Posted 09/16/2018  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CJ18850 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF Quarinteen!

Most excellent Crazyb0! Nice to give references as well E&V!

Keep searching! One day it can happen!
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Thank you CJ18850! That's what I like to do. I love helping others to learn.
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thanks for the feedback
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I wanted to post an update I took this calling into a local coin shop here in Vegas and they were able to verify that There is doubling on the jeep and go and it is not Machine Doubling. Thank you everybody who took their time to reply to this post
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 Posted 09/18/2018  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add quarinteen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the g in god not sure where Jeep came from
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 Posted 09/18/2018  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure looks like MD to me.
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Well he is incorrect. It is Machine Doubling. Nothing is actually doubled, just flattened on the bottoms of the devices. A doubled die the devices would be raised, not flattened in.
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 Posted 09/18/2018  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newguy87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I was you I would sell it to that coin shop that said it was a DDO. Just remember you might not want to buy coins there. It looks like md. I have a pile of md coins that I thought were doubled dies. I still have them because I think they look cool but I know they are only worth a penny.
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 Posted 09/18/2018  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicecoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why do some of you get so salty on these forums ? He said he was just starting out. For those of who are new to this, we are trying to learn Errors and such. Why not simply state MD and give some links to error DD examples ? I thought this was a great coin site for people, I'm starting to wonder with all the negativity. Just my opinion!
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Why do some of you get so salty on these forums ? He said he was just starting out. For those of who are new to this, we are trying to learn Errors and such. Why not simply state MD and give some links to error DD examples ? I thought this was a great coin site for people, I'm starting to wonder with all the negativity. Just my opinion!


I don't see where anyone was rude to the OP. We are just stating that the coin exhibits Machine Doubling. In fact, Errers and Varietys gave the OP a link to a great website about doubled dies. Also, coop stated the reasons it was MD not a DD.
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wanted to post an update I took this calling into a local coin shop here in Vegas and they were able to verify that There is doubling on the jeep and go and it is not Machine Doubling. Thank you everybody who took their time to reply to this post


As Coop (Richard Cooper...the EXPERT) said:

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Well he is incorrect. It is Machine Doubling. Nothing is actually doubled,


And a good piece of advice you as OP need to follow up on:

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If I was you I would sell it to that coin shop that said it was a DDO. Just remember you might not want to buy coins there.


Because you see quarinteen, there are only TWO know DDO's for 1974D and neither look like yours:

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Why do some of you get so salty on these forums ? He said he was just starting out.


@Novicecoins, fair point, but from our perspective, yes you guys are new, have a lot of learning to do. So when you ask here, you get responses from those of us who have much practice in this field, and some like Mr. Cooper have devoted their life to the study of coins, written many books and contributed to a myriad of numismatic publications...and you question his "appraisal" and take the opinion of a coin dealer of dubious ability to recognize a true error? Lose the sensitivity to being told you are wrong, accept other views and find out...for real. Consensus doesn't necessarily mean absolute truth, but may just point you in the right direction. Only one dissension doesn't mean it is so
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