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Ptolemy V? ID Help Needed.

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 Posted 07/13/2008  5:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Lancer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I've not found an image anywhere of this exact coin, but it looks most similar to the Ptolemy V coins. It's about 26 mm in diameter. Does anyone recognize this coin and know its value? Thanks in advance for the help.

Lancer

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 Posted 07/18/2008  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert, as can be seen by my requests.
But it appears to be Ptolemy XII.
When I get home, I will post my version for comparison
Looks like the coin has been cleaned. Most ancient coins have been cleaned at some point - so it is not necessarily a bad thing just an observation.
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 Posted 07/19/2008  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lancer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wwhitman, thanks for the reply.

What characteristic most readily identifies a Ptolemy coin as belonging to a particular Ptolemy ruler? In this case, to the left of the eagle is "LIË" ("L" Iota Lambda). From what I've read, my guess is that the "L" denotes the word "Year", and the "IË" (Iota Lambda) is the numeric year 10+30, or 40. (Why didn't they just use "M" (Mu) for 40?) Apparently, this year represents the year of the particular Ptolemy ruler's reign.

Per Wikipedia, Ptolemy XII ruled from 80 - 51 BC, so that's a reign of 29 years. If my read of the "IË" is correct, then, it couldn't be Ptolemy XII, and it also couldn't be Ptolemy V (204 - 181 BC (23 years)), because neither had a 40th year.

To the right of the eagle is "ÐA" (Pi? or Rho? Alpha). I don't know what this denotes. It appears on Ptolemy coins of more than one ruler. One source stated that is is the mint mark of Paphos, Cypress.

I've been looking, and haven't yet found an image of my particular coin. The coin doesn't appear to be in very good condition compared to other coins I've seen of that era on collector websites, so it probably isn't worth much, but it's interesting history.

Funny you mention that it looked cleaned. After looking at coins on collector websites, I was thinking it was real dirty and needed to be cleaned. I haven't done it yet, but was going to try that hydrogen peroxide soak discussed elsewhere on these boards.

Lancer

Edit: Some of the Greek text characters I used, did not post correctly. How can I post post Greek text characters?
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 Posted 07/21/2008  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lancer,
I am extremely new at the ancients. This is not by choice, but anyway I am attempting to learn as much as possible.
Attached is pics of what I think are Ptolemy XII. There is debate about that as well.

But for me to improve my skills, I make a suggestion. Then wait for the real answer to arrive. Then see where I went off the rails.

I thought your coin looked cleaned by its pitted look.
Note if you have a differing opinion about the XII, please feel free - I have no ego in this area.


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