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1867 Three Cent Nickel Question

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I picked this up the other day. I found it curious that the coin was in much better condition than most 3-centers you find out there but the "E" and partial "R" are almost gone. The coin doesn't have that much wear for this to happen...look at the dentiles. Any guesses what's up with it?

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 Posted 07/15/2008  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

There are a few possibilities....

Sometimes the result of a weak strike.
Sometimes the result of a partially filled die.
Sometimes the result of a coin being struck on a planchet that was not rolled to an even thickness.

On this one I would lean towards a weak strike as the S of STATES and some of the other details on the obverse and the reverse are not fully formed.

I hope that helps,

Bill
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07/15/2008 01:33 am
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or a weakly hubbed die. Very possible that all the coins struck with this die had the same problem because the devices were not hubbed deeply enough into the die to begin with.
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Hi Chuck,

Good point and one that I hadn't thought of.

Another thought to throw into the mix is that these coins were notoriously difficult to get to strike up well.

If you look at the obverse vs. the reverse, Relatively speaking, since the coin is so small, the head on the obverse vs. the III on the reverse caused striking problems as there was a lot of demand, so to speak, during the strike for metal to fill in the recesses of the die. These coins even in UNC are often encountered with a poorly struck head and or poorly struck IIIs :-) When you also look at the lettering on the obverse in relation to the wreath on the reverse, you see the same thing. The metal during the strike has a hard time filling the recesses of the dies on both sides of the coin since the details are directly opposite each other on the respective dies.

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Bill
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I think it is strike because of tipped dies (die faces not parallel) if you notice the left side of the coin is well struck both obv and reverse while the right side is weak both obverse and reverse.
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STATES is pretty weak all around as well as the left 'I' in 'III', so I'd lean more towards something other than tipped dies.
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Actually, I like Conder 101's thought on this. That also makes good sense.

Thanks,
Bill
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Thanks for the insight! I can accept those evaluations a lot better than the guy telling me that it had "wear" on the coin! Now to move it to the grading forum to see what everyone has to say about the grade.
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I can accept those evaluations a lot better than the guy telling me that it had "wear" on the coin!

Yes, but it is always nice when the dealer prices it like it is "wear"
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