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Celtic Tetradrachm - Opinions Needed

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 Posted 10/08/2018  12:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add danubebound to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
*** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. Previously posted in Numismatic Crime ***

Hi everyone,

I was lucky enough to win this coin in an auction among many bidders, sold by one of the auction houses through biddr website.

Now the pics seemed legit (please see below), and having many bids at the time I decided to pursue it as I was always after this type of coin. It sold for almost double than estimated.


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Now once I received it the silver seemed much brighter than on all my other Celtic tetradrachms, and looking close at it, I could see many bubbles around the details and especially on the rim. I know that these might be due to corrosion, but the overall looks of it feels rather casted than minted.

I hope I'm wrong and that this post doesn't belong in this group but please give your respected opinions on the matter, I do have an option to return in to the auction house.

Looking forward to your answers!

Best regards,

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 Posted 10/08/2018  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I wish I could help but know nothing about this series. I'm sure others here do and will be able to help.
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Not my collecting area, but I don't see anything wrong here, other than over-cleaning. Looks struck to me. Nice coin.
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A bit of sleuthing shows this coin as unsold in Jan 2016:
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=l...d=1394&lot=1

Roma Numismatics are Roman and Greek specialists and BNTA members, so it's unlikely they would have been fooled by a forgery:
http://romanumismatics.com/about/


Edit: Just noticed this offering from Roma:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/...a97001207ffb

Top left is a similar coin, in worn condition and its reverse also shows some bubbling.
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Roma Numismatics are Roman and Greek specialists and BNTA members, so it's unlikely they would have been fooled by a forgery


Well...unlikely, yes, but at the same time it's important to note that every major purveyor of ancient coins - auction houses and dealers alike - no matter how experienced they are, and no matter how many professional organizations they may belong to - has inadvertently sold some fakes at some point. Roma is no exception and has been called out many times. The pages at numismaticfakes, for example, are sobering and enlightening: https://numismaticfakes.wordpress.com/

It's inevitable given the number of coins they handle and the quality of some fakes these days. Personally I have discovered fakes among my purchases from CNG and Stacks Bowers, both well established, major sellers, of course, with fine reputations. In the Stacks case, my coin had been published (as I eventually discovered) some decades earlier, in the Bulletin on Counterfeits. Both firms acknowledged their mistakes and provided full refunds. They were entirely professional.

There are plenty of examples posted online, in some of the ancients forums and blogs, of fakes sold by Goldbergs, Nomos AG, Lanz, Kunker, CNG, Hirsch, and Roma, among many other big-player dealers/auction houses. Even experienced numismatists don't get it right every time.

Of course it's preferable to purchase from a trusted dealer (like those just mentioned) with years of expertise. But they do make an occasional mistake or two. In the case of the OP coin, I suspect all is fine.
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Thank you all for answers and for the warm welcome!

@richtea

Thanks for pointing it out, I've seen the unsold case too, that made me twice as worried.

@ Bob L

Thanks and I agree, I did contact the auction house and they were quite cooperative offering a full refund in the case if I'm not fully satisfied. Pretty ace. Now I do have a decision to male.

Thanks all.
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