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I recently picked up a 1928 Peace dollar to complete my Peace dollar Set - got it for short money because somewhere back down the trail someone decided it would be prettier, or worth more, if they shined it up, and, boy, did they do a job on it - sure is shiney! My question is - can I "dirty" it up a mite by carrying it around in my pocket for awhile? Or, is there something else I can do to dull the glare? This is not a for sale coin - like I said it completes my set, so it will remain in my collection until I can find a better one (that hasn't been cleaned) but that might be a long time coming, so I'd like to make this one a little more presentable. Ralph |
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What a cool pocket piece that would be! It takes a long time to show any real wear, it sure can't hurt it. Give it a try and keep us informed.  |
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I have read of people putting it on their windowsill to get some sunlight. Maybe some toning will dull the shine?
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Pocket piece will subject the coin to some wear. Putting the coin on the windowsill (I put mine in small envelopes first) will give it some toning but won't do much for the hairline scratches typical of harsh cleaning.
The 1928 Peace does not drop much in value from grade to grade so going from AU50 to EF40 will only drop you $10 but the natural wear and toning will make it look more attractive.
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I am not recommending anyone try this method without testing it on something more expendable. The man that showed this to me has been in the business for over 30 years and I have never personally tried it- but I have seen it work- nothing miraculous, but it did work. At the shop I work at occasionally, they sometimes use a brush and a little graphite (pencil lead) to dull the shine. I am not positive, but I think it is a horse hair brush. Soft bristles about an inch or so long , in about a twelve inch wooden handle- the brush part being about 6 inches long and about an inch wide. It does take the shine off, and should not cause any (more) damage ( these are already cleaned coins anyway) I have seen many whizzed or dipped Barber coins that look much better after this treatment. It is not meant to "fool" anyone, just to dull the extreme shine on a worn coin that should not be that shiny. Just in case someone tries this anyway, do NOT put the graphite on the coin, a small amount rubbed onto the bristles of the brush with any excess rubbed back off should do the trick. The brush need not have graphite applied every time, only as effectiveness diminishes. As for toning , Peace dollars are not known for their great toning- but- if it has been cleaned it could tone differently than your average Peace dollar because of the chemicals and the abrasive nature of the cleaning. Yellow "Kraft" envelopes seem to be the best for toning silver ,I have heard. I have a few coins on the sill right now in small envelopes, but it is my first foray into it and I will have to post them when/if anything changes . Old coin albums can also cause coins to tone, sometimes you can get used ones from a dealer at a big discount- we sell the nicer ones for $1. How about a picture ? You can't just tease us like this and not provide a picture !  |
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I only have a scan of the obverse - I save the obverse scan in my coin folder to go back and look at when the mood strikes me. When I complete a set, I put the album in the box at the bank, and this is Saturday afternoon so there's no way I can scan the reverse today - have to settle for what I can give you for now. Ralph http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...719_1928.jpg |
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Ralph- from the scan it almost seems that the coin has toned a bit around the crown on the obverse. Do you think that it was a really old or a recent cleaning?
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Archraz - I don't normally fool with cleaned coins, but with this one being the key, and the one I needed to complete my set, I went for it.
As for an old cleaning or a new one, I don't know. It may have been cleaned and put away, or it could be newly cleaned. All I can really tell you is that is is alot shinier than an 80 year old coin in the condition it's in is supposed to be.
Ralph
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I posted these scans in another thread before I realized just where I'd started my original message.  I thought I'd post an update for those of you who showed an interest in it before. It's been about a month and a half since I first posted this message, and I've been carrying this coin around in my pocket since then. This is what she looks like now. I think I'll carry it for awhile longer - still shinier than I want, and, too, I kind of like the idea of having it for a pocketpiece. Ralph   |
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Ralph, I have to agree that it's looking closer to a coin with original surfaces now. Shiny is bad...real bad. Some will say don't mess with it, but they don't have to worry about looking at the coin with unnatural surfaces and potential resell. Ironically enough, even in a slightly lower grade, that coin without the unnatural shine will probably sell for more.
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Sometimes I get the impression that almost every single silver coin in Poland has been cleaned. When you want to buy something, it's a question of not cleaned or not cleaned, but HOW cleaned..
I have a 1610s coin that's so shiny that I thought it's a copy. According to a knowledgable dealer it's original and matches perfectly with the pictures and images from the reference books. However, it's so white that it looks like made of chalk, not metal. For the last 10 years it hasn't changed a bit, it's so darn white!
The main problem is that a non-cleaned coin like this is supposedly worth $60-70.. what would mean nice coins to add to my collection - but nobody wants to buy it.
The ones that aren't cleaned are usually those dug up from the ground..
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09/02/2008 10:23 am
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Ralph, Since I was just the victim of an altered 1928 (it was a 1928-S with the mintmark removed), I would check all the diagnostics to make sure it's genuine. There were only 3 obverse dies used on the genuine coin. From some stats I heard, as much as 1 in 5 raw 1928-Ps on ebay are fake. |
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1sikevo - the seller offered the coin with a full money back guarantee. I've eyeballed the area where a mint mark would be under a 20X glass, and see no signs of hanky-panky. I'm satisfied that it's the real deal.
I'm not sure what diagnostics you are referring to - seems to me the 1928 and the 1928S would be the same weight and size. I've looked in my Van Allen/Mallis encyclopedia and theres no mention of a difference in the reverse design in regards to the 1928 and 1928S. Can you point me in the direction you are referring to when you mention diagnostics?
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One has a discernable rim, the other doesn't. You can catch your fingernail on it.
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Ralph, There are specific dies (3 to be exact)used on on the 1928-P. These dies leave their miniature signatures, like a fingerprint. Here are the diagnostics for the 28-P http://www.oicoins.com/index_files/Page679.htmFWIW, my seller had a guarantee too for a full refund (which I'm getting) but it's not to say that every coin is genuine. Edited by 1sikevo
09/02/2008 6:16 pm
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