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Here is a Schilling from Polish-controlled Lithuania dated 1627 AD. It is attributed as Kopicki 3475.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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„Polish-controlled Lithuania" .....On July 1, 1569, the Union of Lublin was concluded, uniting Poland and Lithuania into a single, federated state, which was to be ruled by a single, jointly selected sovereign. Formally, Poland and Lithuania were to be distinct, equal components of the federation, each retaining its own army, treasury, civil administration, and laws; the two nations agreed to cooperate with each other on foreign policy and to participate in a joint Diet. But Poland, which retained possession of the Lithuanian lands it had seized, had greater representation in the Diet and became the dominant partner.
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@spence and @giedrius, thanks for the good coverage of the first three decades of 1600s! I've been building my collection of 1500s trojaks of Sigismund I (trying to cover most dates and all mints), but I have very few of his coins in 1600s. It's been nice to see the coverage on denominations and mints that you have.
I'd sure like to have a Sigismund III thaler, but I think the opportunity to get one at a "three figure" price (in $) is long gone. I see that the lowest Sigismund III thaler price in Saturday's WCN auction was 4500 PLN (about $1250 before fees) for VF grade.
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11/19/2018 4:52 pm
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@giedrius, thanks for the good history lesson. I didn't mean any disrespect to either Lithuania or Poland, but was a bit too cavalier with my description of the coin issuing body on that Schilling. Hopefully, I won't similarly put my foot in my mouth when I post a few coins of Sig III from Brandenburg-Prussia tomorrow.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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@giedrius, thanks for the good history lesson For me, I was unclear on the history, and have benefitted very much from giedrius' comments on both the "How Far Back ..." and on these threads on Polish coins. If I understand correctly, from 1386 to 1569, there was an informal, or "personal union" between Poland and Lithuania. The same royal family (Jagiello) was on both the Polish and Lithuanian throne, often in the same person. But the independence and sovereignity of each state (Kingdon of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania) was maintained. As giedrius points out, this changed starting from 1569 and the Union of Lublin, when the two states were formally joined as the Polish-Lithuanian COmmonwealth. Though they were supposed to be equal partners, Lithuania had more territory, but Poland had more population, and the Polish nobility wielded more power in the parliamanet (which elected the kings starting from 1576). Now, as for Brandenburg-Prussia ... I think I need some more education! |
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Nothing more from Sigismund III from me--waiting for the weekend when I can start posting more. What a great thread so far!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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I have a few Sigismund III coins in my collection, but most of them are types that had already been posted here. (Might post some tomorrow.) This one, however, is not just a type, but even a denomination that hadn't shown up in this thread so far... Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Sigismund III, ternar (3 denars), 1616. Krakow mint (I think). 14x13 mm, 0.32 g. Both figures apparently well under standard. Kopicki 582, apparently (if real; way too tiny and coppery). Not on Numista; apparently not in Krause. Sorry in advance for the terrible photo quality...   Fun fact: this is, I believe, the only coin in my collection that is dated between 1600 and 2000 but, to the best of my knowledge, does not appear in Krause. That is, assuming it's real; I won't be very surprised if this is a counterfeit (possibly of Suceava origin). I have a coin from Brandenburg-Prussia coming up for the 1650s that is almost certainly a Suceava counterfeit... |
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Nice contribution!
Gumowski has this coin listed as municipal coinage of Posen (Poznan). G.1479.
Ternars were minted in Krakow 1591-1603.
Coinage at the royal mints was being debased through the reign of Sigismund III, so maybe this is a low grade billon? By 1623, groschen were 28% silver, and schillings only 12.5%.
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11/23/2018 11:45 pm
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Nice contribution!
Gumowski has this coin listed as municipal coinage of Posen (Poznan). G.1479.
Ternars were minted in Krakow 1591-1603. I thought it was Poznan for a while as well; about the only place that even mentioned the Krakow option was the Fortress catalogue. Specifically, here are the Fortress pages... Krakow: https://www.fortresscatalogue.com/i...Coin_DetailsPoznan: https://www.fortresscatalogue.com/i...Coin_DetailsThe only difference is on the right side of the arms - the Krakow version has the Lithuanian rider, the Poznan version has the crossed keys. This area is in fairly bad condition on the coin, and didn't come out especially well on the photo either. I think it's the rider, however. In the meantime, here's another coin from the reign of Sigismund III... (Yet again, sorry in advance for the terrible photo quality.)   Riga under Poland, Sigismund III, solidus, 1615. Numista 78799 (under "Duchy of Livonia"), KM# 5 (as listed on Numista - not sure of which country), this date Kopicki 8152 (according to Fortress Catalogue). |
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Very nice Riga solidus! Looks like there is still some luster in the fields.
@spence posted this type, different date upthread.
On the ternar... I'm not sure if Kopicki lists the date range for Krakow and Poznan. In Gumowski, under Krakow ternar, he specifically says to see Stadt Posen for 1615-20 date range. Maybe the Crown (Krakow) type was not known to Gumowski, since it's clearly a different type in fortress.
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11/24/2018 7:37 pm
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ANyone who has more coins of SIgismund III, please continue to post them.
We will also move on to cover the rest of the 17th century, and a series of less prolific coiners:
Wladyslaw IV 1632-48
Jan Casimir 1648-1668
Michael Korybut 1669-1673
Jan Sobieski 1674-1696
Two of these 4 monarchs are very tough: Wladyslaw IV because only large silver and gold were minted, all of it rather pricey, and Michal Korybut because of his short reign and very few types minted.
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Three different Lithuanian shillings of John II Casimir Vasa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_II_Casimir_Vasa with dates 52 (1652) on obverse. Legends: IOA CAS D G R POLL / SOLIDVS M DVC LITV IOA CAS D G REX POL / SOLIDVS M DVCAT LITV IOA CAS D G R POLLO /SOLIDVS M DVC LIT Coins with such legends not included into catalogues yet.   Edited by giedrius
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