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@tdziemia, great post! Completely agree with You!
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Glad you have coins form the decade of the 1600s under this reign, also covering different types and mints (by 1606 and 1607 Polish groats are only minted in Krakow, as the other mints like Poznan, Olkusz, Lublin had shut down)
I have some from 1620s I still need to photograph.
As expected, lots of contributions for this reign!
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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Edited by Spence
11/15/2018 05:56 am
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On the first page of the thread, SquireWilson posted an ort (also seen as orte = 1/4 thaler) of Sigismund III. A thaler was valued between 60 and 80 groszy in the early 1620s (ref. Gumowski), making the ort a 15 to 20 groat coin. It's just a bit smaller than a U.S. half dollar, and weighs 6.5 to 7g, so a bit lighter than testons elsewhere in Europe at the same time. This type was first issued in Gdansk/Danzig in 1608, and Bydgoszcz/Bromberg in 1618. By the 1620s there must have been a very large number being issued, as they show up nearly everywhere that 17th century European coins are for sale, usually at modest prices. Probably the ort would be considered THE representative coin of this reign, though the proliferation of trojak types earlier in the reign makes them interesting to collectors as well (at least to me!). The Gdansk design is a bust, and the Bydgoszcz design a half-length portrait. The Gdansk design is stronger, and it's easier to find attractive coins with a lot of detail, whereas the Bydgoszcz design seems to have worn down more easily. Here is a Gdansk ort from 1623, slightly different bust than Squire's 1621:   |
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Great info and nice looking coin!  |
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Thanks, scopru! Here is my example of the Bydgoszcz/Bromberg ort, dated 1624:   |
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Nice coins folks |
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 Between the poltoraks of spence and giedrius the 1610s and 1620s are nicely covered. Including a variety of privy marks at the bottom reverse. In particular, the last two poltoraks posted by giedrius a few posts back have the polkozic, a coat of arms with the head of a donkey used by the last crown treasurer under SIgismund III, Hermann Ligeza. I've taken the liberty of cropping giedrius' photo and highlighting this feature:  Also, here are the NGC census populations of the three types we've seen a lot: Sig III trojaks - 1050 Sig III orts (1/4 thaler) - 750 Sig III poltoraks - 350 Not sure whether those figures represent collector interest, the number of surviving examples in high grade, or a combination, but I found them interesting. And speaking of grading, if you'd like to see some mouthwatering Polish coins from the 16th and 17th centuries, check the Rzeszowski catalog for next weekend's auction. (I count about 75% of the coins between 1500 and 1700 slabbed by the U.S. grading firms). |
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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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First some info on the coins  The 1623 coins bear the Sas, an emblem with arrow, half moon and two stars that was used by crown treasurer Nikolaus Danilowicz from 1616 to 1624. The later coin has the polkozic mentioned earlier. According to Gumowski, the Munzkommission of 1623 specified these weights and purities: Ort 7.06 g,, 68% 6 groschen 3.95 g., 46% 3 groschen 1.97 g,, 46% Groschen 1.03 g., 28% So the groschen would be expected to have a greater than 1:3 weight ratio to the 3 groschen piece due to its lower purity The link: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=sale&sid=2870 |
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the Sas, an emblem with arrow, half moon and two stars Ok interesting. I had assumed that it was an anchor. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Ok interesting. I had assumed that it was an anchor. I wasn't quite sure, so I looked it up  This one (lower right reverse), the emblem of Chalecki, who was mintmaster in the Lithuania mint 1590-98 looks even more like an anchor (recent auction win, not yet received)  Edited by tdziemia
11/18/2018 3:04 pm
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