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Interesting 40% Silver Kennedy Half Find

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 Posted 07/23/2008  11:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello

I decided to go through some 40% kennedy halfs after I saw an article
in minterrornews. It was about an NGC certified 1965 Kennedy half that
was only 25% silver. It's weight was 7.62 grams. So I decided to look at that year. No luck, just found normal 40% (11.5 grams) Then I checked the rest of the 66 thru 69's that I had. I weighed ea. one and found a 1967-P average circulated that weighed in at: 11.955 grams. Kind of the opposite of what I was looking for. A normal 90%
1964 kenn. weighs 12.5 grams. This coin was smack in the middle (as far as weight is concerned) between a normal 40% and a 90% silver half. Seemed odd. I weighed it several times on two diff. scales to be sure of it's weight. I used an electronic jewelers scale as well as my gunpowder scale (which is highly accurate) it weighs only in grains right down to one tenth of a grain and is magnetically dampened. Is it possible that I have a 65% silver kenn. half ?
If so, has anyone ever heard of one ? Is this a normal weight for a 67-P ? Any input / suggestions would be appreciated.



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 Posted 07/23/2008  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

1965 to 1970 , 40% Kennedys should weigh 11.5 grams. a 90% silver half should weigh 12.5 grams. I see why you have a question on it. The likely scenario and one that wouldn't be too uncommon is that the planchet was rolled a fraction thick.

These halves are clad and are made of outer layers that are an alloy of .800 silver and .200 copper. That is bonded to an inner core of an alloy of .209 silver and .719 copper.

I suspect that the coin you referenced is probably a 1965 dated piece with one of the outer layers missing. It would account for the much lower weight and they can be cute by saying the overall silver content is 25% as opposed to the 40%.

Therefore, it is not a matter of the silver in the coin actually being different alloys of a lower percentage. It is a matter of figuring out the approximate silver content in the 1965 coin after it was determined that an outer layer is missing.

Thanks,
Bill
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07/23/2008 1:29 pm
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 Posted 07/23/2008  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

Thanks for replying. Maybe I just have an extra heavy coin
all around. Not sure how NGC came up exactly with their formula
or how they tested the 1965 that I mentioned, to arrive at 25 % silver
I'll have to do the math on that one to see if that is what they used
to determine it's actual silver content. The coin is slabbed and does
not seem to appear damaged. Even a specific gravity test would be hard
to determine actual silver content/percentage as the coin is clad etc.
Either way the article stated it was the only one ever found. (yet)
Hype ? I don't know. Curious, if it was a pcgs ar anacs slab if that would make it more genuine ? or at least believeable.
I checked my 67 again for dimensions, and it is the same as 4 others that I have (same year) as far as diameter. The rim thickness was just a hair over the other 4 coins. Approx. 1/10th of one mm. thicker. The devices on all the coins were the same thickness.
Could be a few reasons why it is heavier I suppose but wanted to try and rule out what I could before chucking it into the bull. pile.
Maybe we can have a national weigh in of all circulated 67-P kenn. halfs ? That would give an average weight anyway to go on. Either that
or I could bring it to a lab and have them melt it down and then analyze the seperate metal compositions :) With my luck it would turn out to be exactly 65% silver. Only one ever found. Now I just have to pass off a glob of shiny metal as a 67-P kenn. half dollar :)
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I suspect that NGC just pulled something out of their hats. I remember seeing another slabbed 1965 half in an article by Mike Diamond that was slabbed as being struck on 90% silver dime stock. NGC proposed that dime stock got punched into a half dollar sized (blank) planchet resulting in a very low weight coin.

If I remember right, Mike analyzed the coin every which way possible and proved that at least it was not on 90% dime stock as stated on the NGC slab.

Further, I think he sent the coin to Chris Pilliod (in PA, I think), who is a metals expert. More tests were done and he also concluded that it was not as labeled on the slab but may have been struck on a planchet with a clad layer missing.

Again, if memory serves Mikes conclusions were conclusive as to what the coin is not, but exactly what it was remained a bit elusive. Some of the tests to determine the exact nature of the metal involved created numbers that fit a few possibilities but did not pinpoint the alloy of the metal used to strike the coin.

The point here is that a coin of a similar nature was slabbed incorrectly by NGC as they seemed not to do the type of exhaustive study needed to verify what the coin was made of as was done by Mike and Chris. If I had to choose results found by Mike D. working with Chris P. vs. something on a slab, I'd go with Mike and Chris every time.

So your coin is probably normal. In this post I was trying to account for the NGC slab that you mentioned.

Thanks,
Bill

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07/23/2008 9:42 pm
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