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Here's another 1859 it's a group "N" coin and like the Group "M" coin shown earlier this is the only coin in group "N" and is noted for being the 1859 with the most vines and stems missing. It's also paired with the same obverse "63" as the Group "M" coins. Dr. Haxby's site also speaks of a die crack between L-16 & L-1 that travels down through the "E" in ONE and the "T" in CENT so I included a picture of this D/C, along with some others. Note that the stem to L-16 is also over polished or clogged and there's a small tick that follows the "T" in CENT. The obverse is what attracted me to the coin for the many letters that are re-punched some not mentioned on the site and the D/C that runs through the "D" in DEI. If you follow the D/C that runs through the "D" in DEI where it reaches the Queens forehead you can see a void that runs along the hairline. I had always considered this as a planchet flaw but I'm now questioning if it's possibly a die clog or caused by the D/C if the latter then there should be more. I know clogs are transient but it's possible someone else has one similar which would confirm it as being a clog. This one is a little more common than the group "M" coin but still a tough one to find. It would be appreciated if everyone could check their PC59-633 to see if there are any the same as this one? TIA Cheers, Bill        |
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Very nice 633 Bill! Another nice feature is the re-punched O of ONE on the reverse.
I would be inclined to agree with your first impression, that the void was a planchet flaw, but I'm really not sure. My 633 isn't a good enough grade to be any help at all. Maybe someone will have a nice grade 633 in about the same die state.
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i do not have a 633 ...yet
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none here
Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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I have the same crack through ONE and CENT. The tick by the T continues the die crack to the inner bead just below the level of the foot of the T, and then it touches the top of leaf 6 and touches the vine where leaf 5 is attached. There's a hint of it going to the rim.
There is the same groove in the forehead but my coin is more worn. While puffing and pondering my coin that has several laminations, it struck me, ouch, that it couldn't be a planchet flaw on both but a piece of a lamination could have stayed on the die and then struck more coins, making an indented impression on the ensuing coins. A big clog.
Mine also has a small die crack on the obverse starting at the second bead to the right of the last A of CANADA. It goes left below the bust, to a lamination from the second A to the bust.
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a piece of a lamination could have stayed on the die and then struck more coins, making an indented impression on the ensuing coins. A big clog. That sounds like a possible explanation TerryT. I have several 771 die pairs with the same hollow areas I have wondered about, that could have been produced that way. Or considering how broken up the P15 reverse die was at the time, it could have been small flakes of the reverse die stuck on the obverse die. Here's a picture of one of those.  |
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Hounddog Bill
I have 5 of those 633 63+N1 but not as nice as your example! My computer is out of commission and all my photos are on it so as soon as I get it back I will try to post pictures of them for you. I also have one 632 63+N1 and that one is also not as nice as your! Very nice examples you have there.
MG
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[quote]Terry, Mine also has a small die crack on the obverse starting at the second bead to the right of the last A of CANADA. It goes left below the bust, to a lamination from the second A to the bust. I added a picture that I believe is the D/C that your referring to Terry, correct me if I'm wrong. Viper hope you get your computer straightened out without any problems, I had one go down on me a couple years ago and lost everything. Looking forward to seeing some of your stash. Cheers, Bill  |
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That is the same die crack under the bust, Bill.
Mine also has the die clash above the queen, into the lettering.
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Thanks viper, It would seem that the cavity on the forehead of the Queen is present on all the coins with the D/C through the "D" in DEI.
Looking closely you can see the D/C extends through the bottom portion of the cavity and perhaps this caused the die to clog.
Whatever reason it seem quite clear that this is a marker for this Variety and not a planchet flaw as first thought.
Cheers, Bill
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