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1972 DDO Half Dollar ?

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Nice Phili Half Dollar DDO ? Looks really Nice
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 Posted 12/03/2018  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see notching,so I think it is a DDO.
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Bingo, you got one

Try to ease your light source to reduce glares, your pics will turn out sharper.

Is that a 72P or D ? at any rate that is not an easy DDO to find.
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Really nice close ups. Good catch.
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Also Machine Doubling. So it is a MD minor DDO. Note the image of 'WE'? You can see pushed upwards areas from where the metal was moved. (resembling pushed snow making a raised area where the metal was moved. When trying to match this one up to a certain die, the MD makes it harder to tell where the MD and the DDO ends and starts.
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Also noted multiple light sources. On micro photos a single light source is better. (On bulb, one LED light) That way you get light and shadows. The extra lighting makes things appear that are not there. Too much light removes light and shadows and creates glare. The MD may be in two directions on these device. Top and bottom or the lighting is making it appear that way. (MD can happen in any direction or in several directions after the strike) MD does have a specific rules it follows. The coins are at the machines mercy.
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Nice find!
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Awesome find! I can see the notches.
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So it is a MD minor DDO.


Really Coop? Would it really kill you to embrace other people's answers instead of attaching unwarranted negative connotations to them in some vain attempt to prove your perceived intellect? I'm sorry but the images of the coin shows obvious notched serifs consistent with a genuine hub doubled die even through all of the shadows and extreme glare undoubtedly caused by the use of multiple light sources during their capture. So wouldn't you agree that one would need better images of the coin to make a determination of weather or not Machine Doubling is also present on the devices? We need to build people up not tear them down by belittling their finds. Just my Two Cents.....

As far as it being called a "minor" DDO.....this is where it gets muddled.

When discussing the different degrees used to characterize DD's, you most often hear the term Major and Minor more often than not. Which one to use is supposedly determined by the amount of doubling AND spread that can be seen with the naked eye on any given example. But being that the majority of the populous lacks the gift of perfect 20/20 vision, you can begin to see where this might become a problem. To my knowledge there is no widely accepted criteria at which point to draw the line between the two.

Wexler attempted this by adding additional classifications (Major, Very Significant, Significant, Minor and Very Minor) in an effort to narrow the gap in between the two but unfortunately they are very seldomly used.

It gets muddled even further when you insert supply and demand into the equation. A doubled die that has a high demand and a short supply can easily attain the Major connotation.

One could also argue that if a date only had one known DDO or DDR for the series like in the case of both the 1972-P and 1972-D Kennedy half dollar that it could be considered a Major DDO due to its exclusivity alone.

I'm just saying that it's all subjective and open for interpretation is all.......

End rant.
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 Posted 12/03/2018  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great find regardless! There is definitely notches on the devises. Is it P or D?
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Thank you everyone for all of your responses , I have a lot of mint and proof sets I need to start going through that I won at auctions I got carried away with my bidding lol now it's time to Start checking for errors
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It's a P what's really funny is I have like 3 or 4 of these , like I said I got carried away with bidding for mint and proof sets lol
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 Posted 01/24/2019  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add taclough to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure how anyone could say this in 'minor' doubling. With the spread you are showing in your photos, I would send that puppy in to JAMES WILES and see if he would give it a listing.

Nice Find.


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Most of that "spread" is light glare and shadows. Still a nice DDO.
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skiboy,

Before I joined this Forum, I thought after Thirty years of collecting and selling coins, varieties, DD's DDO's DDR's and what not I knew it all, had it all, my DD's DDR's were all that and to me of course they were all strongest and major. Once I started posting on this Forum, looking at and participating in members threads and reading the responds, answers and teachings by the experts on this site I realized after decades how insignificant the depth of my numismatic knowledge was! specially when it came to mint errors and varieties and the definitions and real causes, and guess what, One of my best teachers and mentors on this site was and is cooper ( Once again I would like to acknowledge several other dedicated experts besides cooper on this site and offer my gratitude to them. but this is about coop right now)
coop tell's you like it is,whether we like it or not,he voluntarily offers his knowledge and expertise and try's to teach the basics in every step of the way and it is up to us to learn or let our ego get in the way because we didn't hear what we had expected to hear!!

Try to ask the same question from J.Wiles. K.Potter, J.Wexler, B.Ribar and others....nobody would talk to you without paying for it first!

I find your Rant regarding coop's respond offensive and totally uncalled for, he is trying to teach and not to boost egos,enough members complimented your coin and it's notching including myself, but coop took it to another level,tried to make you think out of the box and see exactly what else we could learn and I totally agree with him on being a minor spread!
Please take a look at the examples below, you can see the difference between a minor DD and else.

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I think your half dollar is an example of Series Doubling 72 SDO-001 in the CONECA Master Listings, not the 72 DDO-001, http://varietyvista.com/Variety%20M...94.htm#_1972, Attached are a photo of the 72 SDO-001, and the 72 DDO-001, from my collection. Note the U of TRUST.

Larry Nienaber


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