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Holy Roman Empire Coin Or Replica? (Id: 1970-S Repro Or Notgeld Of 16th Century Batzen)

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 Posted 12/21/2018  08:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Carolina85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Not sure what this is? Coin? Token? replica?
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 Posted 12/21/2018  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking a repro; concerning the backwards N in Moneta
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@carolina85, first welcome to CCF. Second, that backward N isn't as much of a concern to me, as in the middle ages the shape and orientation of letters was sometimes a bit fluid (perhaps because the die cutters were often illiterate).

It would be nice if you could also post the diameter and weight of this piece. It should be big I think--more than 50 mm in diameter. As you may have discovered in your own interwebs searching, the central 2/3 of this piece is similar to a 1516 AD dated Batzen of the German City State of Hall. Here is a link to that coin:

https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...-duid-397464

The outer third of your piece contains a couple inscriptions which roughly translate into English as "Haller Batzen from the 16th century" and Haller money in the world". Evidently these medals were made in the 1970s (at least some from silver), but I'm not 100% sure that yours is from that original mintage due to the fact that these appear to have separable parts: the "coin" and the outer ring. Here is a link to a discussion on a German bulletin board:

http://www.numismatikforum.de/viewt...f=21&t=50311

I can find a couple examples of the original pieces showing up as exonumia in German auctions with the asking price being around 30 euros. I'd say that the value of your piece depends almost solely on intrinsic value of the metal alloy.



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the edge looks like it came from a modern coining press.
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In terms of roundness, it looks too good to be true.

Have a close look at the edge cf the coin with a magnifying glass.
If it has nice sharp edges, and is vertical between the edges and of even thickness across the whole coin, I would really have to agree with IGE.
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with the analysis of Spence,

the link to the German coin forum discussion is interesting

here is a link for a picture of a 1516 Haller Batzen
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=226044
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This is a later token - possibly notgeld. The outer inscription reads "Haller Batzen (coin) from the 16-hundreds" and the other side's outer inscription says that it is current in 'Allerwelt.'
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