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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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i think I finally found the coin from page 328 of Charltons 65th,please confirm thanks  
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Pillar of the Community
New Zealand
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Looking GOOD very nice find 
Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut. "Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Right on  not an easy coin to find
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Congrats .. a very tough coin to find and much scarcer than the 1892 Obv 2 R/E N.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice one gidjit! The die crack at N of CANADA is a good marker for the late state of that die.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1463 Posts |
Can someone tell me what I'm looking for here? I can't see a repunched?
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Pillar of the Community
New Zealand
1679 Posts |
the foot of the N in REGINA normally only bits or thick as
Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut. "Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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The left lower foot of the serif on the N in Regina was broken off the hub (that makes/punches the working dies). On 2 of the working dies for the '81 LD/LL Obv 2's, the mintmaster had them repunch the N so that there was a full foot serif. The Obv dies for '91 probably struck about 50-60,000 coins, so any you find are pretty scarce. The same thing holds true for 1892, where 3 of the working dies were also handpunched to make a full-footed N.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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That's really interesting, I notice in world coins and US, these sorts of varieties mean very little value wise. What sort of value may I ask would be attributed to this sort of coin or is it more of an interest in following die states?
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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It is a variety, not an error and they are, at least for 19th century coinage, quite well sought after here in Canada. Some of the scarcer ones may have a 40-50X premium on them, especially early large cents, particularly the 1858's and '59's. You can have a relatively normal coin that is $5 in VF-20 and the variety makes it a $250 coin. The reverse dies had a very short striking life, some maybe only 5,000 coins or less, and all the working dies had handpunched corrections made to them, resulting in large offset doubling, especially on the dates. Easily seen repunches on the Obverse, where a chipped/broken hub fails to make a good working die will usually have a premium of 10X or less. As for die states, very little premium ever occurs and probably reduces, rather than increase, the price. Die cracks, unless spectacular mean nothing, except to a true die tracker.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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That's quite interesting I would have thought each die would struck maybe 50-100k - was 5000 strikes what most mints were getting at the time?
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Most earlier Vicky Reverse working dies after 1859 got 50-70,000 strikes maybe some close to 100, but some broke very early. The Obverse dies lasted much longer. The 5,000 I was talking about were some (a few) '58's and '59's.... some very scarce. But I think the 58-59 Reverse dies probably averaged around 35-40,00 strikes, even with repunching some D/C's and letters/digits. The 58 & 58's were 1/3 thinner than a Brit halfpenny with the same diameter. By 1876, the cents were back to the same thickness as a Brit hapenny
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1463 Posts |
Did the thinness of the blank have a negative effect on the earlier dies?
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Yes, the thinness of the new Canadian cent caused all kinds of problems for the London mint. They used the same presses, pressures, and mechanics that they used for the Brit halfpennies. The halfpenny was all copper and the Canadian cent was bronze, a harder metal that ate up the dies when used on the thinner material. You were striking a 1/3 thinner planchet (less metal to absorb the whack), through a harder planchet and with a much more intricate design, especially on the Reverse. Each leaf tip, serif, denticle and bead is an incuse (recessed) part of the die and they form a stress concentration point ... and that's where the cracks start. Just look at a large cent and see how much/many recessed area that there would be on a working die and how narrow the fields would be between the denticles, beads and serif to denticle distance.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Thanks a lot very informative, yes I suppose the depth and detail is quite intricate compared to other coins of the time. That's really interesting thank you for that!
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