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A Couple Of Recent Aquisitions ( And An Older One)

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Before Christmas, I managed to get a coin( already posted in another thread) that I had wanted to get for some years. A Grosso of Enrico Dandolo. The coin was struck sometime between 1194 and 1205. It was a revolutionary coin. The same size as many Deniers to modern eyes it doesn't look like much but for western Europe it was remarkable. It was produced from Pure( medieval standards) silver. Most references I checked noted the design of the coin was an imitation of the Design on the contemporary Byzantine Aspron Trachy. That's the first of the new acquisitions ( Manuel I Constantinople 1152 - 1157). The Aspron Trachy was, in turn, an evolution( more accurately Devolution) of the Byzantine HIstamon which is the second new Aquisition (Argyrus Romanus III 1028 -104)

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Very nice group, the trachy still has most of it's silvering.
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I appreciate thematic collecting. As Ron says, a very nice group. Well done.
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A great group!

With my interest in religious figures on coins, I'm curious about these figures...

If I recall, one side has Christ Pantocrator, perhaps consistent across all three.

For the Venetian coin, the other side has St. Mark blessing the doge.

Is this imagery also consistent for the others (a patron saint blessing a civic leader?).

And if so, who are they?


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Is this imagery also consistent for the others (a patron saint blessing a civic leader?).

And if so, who are they?


Good question. Such questions really help flesh out my understanding of the coins and their design.. while having my morning coffee I went hunting for the answer:

For the Aspron Trachy ( this particular Variety) The saint is the Virgin. Another Variety from Manuel I the saint is Theodore. A quick scan through Sear and I see different Rulers had different saints on their Aspron Trachys. My guess, for now, is that in many cases the saint used may be the patron saint of the ruler concerned.

For the Histamenon the Saint is the Virgin.

A quick note on the obverse. Although in most issues it is Christ I did see, Flipping through Sear, one example where it was the Virgin seated.

I should add that there is one more coin that should be included in this "family-tree" That being the Venetian Ducat. Unfortunately, my one example is in the bank, so I can't post a picture. The ducat has an interesting change.... the doge is kneeling. I have not seen any commentary so the next bit is my observation. It seems to me that in the 12th - 13th Centuries, the Church became more powerful and influential over rulers. most coins show the ruler subservient to the church in some way. A notable exception is the Augustale of Federick II ( produced from 1231). Compared to the coins of other European Rulers that Augustale reeks of arrogance. Frederik became Holy Roman Emperor and he regarded himself as a ruler in the Roman imperial sense. He soon became an Enemy of the papacy, he was excommunicated 4 times and even declared to be the antichrist. The antipathy can be understood territorially he ruled Jerusalem Sicily and all of the Italian Peninsula (Except for the papal holdings) through to Germany and Burgundy. Under his reign, the Holy Roman Empire was territorially at its hight. By all accounts, he was an enlightened Ruler( he was educated and spoke several languages).. he banned trial by ordeal as he saw it as superstitious nonsense. Obviously, his power which he flaunted, was greater than the church of Rome and conflict with the papacy was probably unavoidable.
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Thanks for sharing the research results!

Some day, a coin with St. Theodore will be my first acquisition of a Byzantine coin.


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It seems to me that in the 12th - 13th Centuries, the Church became more powerful and influential over rulers. most coins show the ruler subservient to the church in some way.


Yesterday my spouse was reading a text on the history of Christianity and mentioned that pope Leo III knelt (or genuflected?) in deference to Charlemage at the latter's coronation. And that this was the last time a pope would show such deference to ruler.
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