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I'm Done Buying From Dealers Who Don't Use Photos

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 Posted 08/05/2008  10:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm completely disgusted with my last buying experience. This dealer is one who I know wouldn't deliberately try to put one over on me, but he did realize how picky I was. For the second time in a row, I had to send the coin back for a refund. I don't have the stomach or wallet (shipping!) for taking another chance.

Many of you probably have fantastic experiences buying sight unseen from various dealers. I think the only dealer off hand that I could trust that implicitly would be Mark Feld. I thought I could trust this other dealer, but he simply won't spend the extra few moments to really examine a coin to see if it has any problems or really has the eye appeal that I've discussed with him that I look for. Yes, eye appeal is all about the holder of the coin (me), but there are certain levels of eye appeal which should be relatively obvious.

The first coin was a Seated dollar that was a nice original XF, but it was just a bit too beat up to be desirable. I can't find those pictures so I can't show them here. I did happen to scan the coin and send them off to a forum member here and he completely agreed with my assessment. The hits on the coin were too distracting. So, back it went. This is something I would think a dealer who supposedly knows me would realize that I just might have a problem with those hits. At least mention it to me!

The second coin was an 1872 2¢ that had what I believed to be an altered reverse. The obverse had zero dirt on it, but the reverse looks like a layer of muck was added to it....literally! Wasn't this like a major red flag to the dealer?! There were partial, dirty finger prints all over the devices on the reverse indicating that there was a strong chance the dirt was applied which further indicates that it was done to hide problems. This coin was a virtual lock-in to get a body bag if ever sent into a grading service and also very difficult to sell for anyone careful enough to review the reverse.

I also realize that some of you may feel that if I'm going to be that picky, mail order dealers aren't for me. Sigh. Yep, I guess you're right.

I'm just tired of spending $15-$20++ on shipping charges back on forth on coins that I find are not worth owning from dealers that won't image the coins.
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08/05/2008 11:42 pm
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 Posted 08/05/2008  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While I completely understand the desire to be able to purchase sight-unseen, I think that era has entirely passed. At this point, it appears you're just ennabling these dealers to remain fixed in the 20th century. You have a right to demand photos of high end coins, and I really think you should.
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 Posted 08/05/2008  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, the days of mail order coin companies without a website and quality pictures may be coming to an end becuase that is so simple to offer these days that most customers demand it. It is one thing when it is a $20 coin that is not quite perfect, but it is a completely different matter when you start talking $500(or higher) coins.
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 Posted 08/05/2008  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I won't buy a coin with a slightly fuzzy pic,
much less a coin with NO pic.
Leave the lazy dealers in the dust...
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 Posted 08/06/2008  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never buy anything sight unseen that I actually want in my collection. However sometimes I buy from ebay or other sites without pictures, sort of as a "lucky dip", just to see what I get. And total spend is limited to $10, INCLUDING postage. Otherwise, no way.
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 Posted 08/06/2008  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Times have changed. In 1982 after I had purchased quite a few coins from a NY dealer, he sent coins on approval for me to look at. They had to stay in the 2x2 or flip, but I actually bought more coins that way than before. After a few years, he sold to his brother and I split ways as his brother was less ethical in grading and description. I agree, now it is high definition photos.

Jim
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 Posted 08/06/2008  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure why anyone would buy anything sight unseen nowadays. You wouldn't buy a house, car, boat, funature, TV set or anything of value without seeing it so why would anyone want to take a chance on a coin. Way to scarry for me.
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 Posted 08/06/2008  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DL20K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are some no-photo offers here and I do buy coins like that. However, only modern ones (greater chance of getting them in nice grade) and never over $2 per coin.
Seemingly good coin but blurry photo = no bid from me.

Since even I can make a relatively good photo using my old Korean camera, those whose work is selling coins should also be able to do it.
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