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Can't Expect Greysheet From My Local Coin Shop?

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 Posted 01/23/2019  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a hobby. Individual coins like these would sell for 100% markup over melt, for collectors filling holes in coin albums.

I used to buy coins like this out of dealer's scrap silver cans. I was focused on Walkers, and turned up G-VG obverse dates, an occasional 1919-D, and everything from 1923 to 1933. They were priced slightly above melt, with no premium for better dates. It wasn't worth the dealer's trouble to sort them out, put them in holders, and set them out in his limited case space.
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I paid $100 a few years ago when I was (more) naive about my collecting goals, and what coins are more typically considered "valuable".



A few years means different things to different people. What was melt value at the time? The price of silver has gone down considerably over the last 6 or 7 years.
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 Posted 01/24/2019  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try to remember that a coin store has many necessities to make a profit. And the larger the profit, the better. From sales they must pay rent, gas, water, phone, internet, electric, etc. Then too there is that family thing where they have to feed a family, possibly pay rent or a mortgage, and on and on and on. And all that from the profit of selling coins and coin stuff. Coin stores in my experience have the lowest possible prices for your coins. And too depending on the location, may not get a lot of customers so the need for a higher profit per coin is really necessary. Your only looking at what he has to pay for coins, not what he has to sell them for.
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The problem as I see it is two-fold when selling to a local dealer. First, assuming that the one in question is not in a major city, customer base. With the internet and ebay readily available 24/7, dealers across the board have seen a decline in walkin sales. This is not to say that they do not or could not list them accordingly on the internet. But that's added cost. The second problem, which ties in with the first, is the amount of time he/she will possess said coins until sold. In business, time is money. Despite a slump in sales, there are the other costs involved. I'm referring to the forgotten costs such as utilities, rent, not to mention taxes.

Please don't misunderstand where I'm coming from. Yes, you should have gotten closer to Grey Sheet pricing. At the very least above melt. How close would again, have to be factored into the above. Everyone assumes that they are getting ripped off by dealers. Occasionally, those such as yourself would be.
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Thanks for the additional insights. This is really good discussion. I can certainly appreciate what a brick & mortar LCS must have to deal with to make ends meet; especially in today's market with soooo much competition!

I also just re-read this thread from a year ago, which was helpful too: http://goccf.com/t/305913

I think basebal21 had a good comment yesterday, and Aoraki said the following on that thread from last year:
Let's not forget that price guides - whether Greysheet, Red Book, Numismedia or whatever - are just that: guides. Take two coins (you choose the coins) of the same year and mintmark, graded the same. Let's even put them in PCGS slabs. One is strongly struck with no dings and beautiful colour - in other words, a coin with great eye appeal. The other - again graded exactly the same - has a mushy strike, a number of minor dings and a mottled appearance. These two coins are not going to sell for the same amount and you'd be nuts to value them by some price guide alone. Price guides are a good starting place - a way to find the size of the ballpark - but then experience and judgement has to take over.


Of course, all of us are looking for above-average coins for our collection. But I don't necessarily believe that ALL the coins sold below greysheet are sub-average and ALL the coins sold above greysheet are above average. There are so many factors that go into what coins sell for, particularly on ebay or online auctions. One primary factor is likely who is looking at that particular auction at that particular time. In other words, how many people are competing for a given coin at a given auction. So to Aoraki's and Basebal21's points, while I do typically try to target coins for purchase around greysheet pricing, I'm typically not considering sub-par coins. Obviously it is a balancing act and I don't have blinders on. I consider the coin, the price, AND what other coins in that grade have sold for. Of course, if I see a coin above greysheet, I'm not discounting it outright based on price alone; but there's got to be something about it that will get me to pay more ( strike, luster, condition, originality, etc)
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I was thinking of you and you might give great collections a try. It's my favorite place to buy coins and it looks like they have a lot of Mercury dimes. https://www.greatcollections.com/Se...ercury-Dimes
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Other than the key dates, I do not believe that XF Mercury dimes are particularly collectible. Should you decide to sell in the future, you may not get more than spot. Of course if you are buying them for around spot, then go for it. Just don't want you to get set up for another disappointment in the future.
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Yikes! Yeah, I just filtered those results down to xf40-au55 and GC only returned 8 results. Yeah, I don't think the graded idea for mercs will work in your case.
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sure, thanks for the advice. but really, "not particularly collectible"?! I think I said XF and better, and I'm focusing on pre-1934 branch mint issues, which mintage-wise represent a miniscule percent of all Mercury dimes ever minted. most of these aren't really "common" dates. I expect to pay around $100 per coin.

what coins or series do you consider to be "collectible"? and what basis do you use to determine how "collectible" any given series is?

Thanks MikeF! I have perused Great Collections in the past, will definitely look again.
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See Pawn Stars for some insight into how a retail coin dealer operates. If they think that they can get $50 for a coin, they are going to offer you $25 for it. There are many legitimate reasons for that. Many coin stores are fairly low volume, and inventory may sit on the shelves for months or years. In the meantime, they have to make payroll, keep the heat and lights on, pay rent for the space, etc... As a seller, if you need to liquidate immediately the dealer pricing can be WIN/WIN since it lets you get cash in your pocket quickly for a collection that might have just been gathering dust. But if you want to get top dollar, you should list each coin individually on ebay with good photos and you'll have to be patient, set reserves, and be willing to list coins over and over again to get a fair sale. Outside of the key dates everyone wants, it can be a tough business.
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So is this what you all do? Sell your coins on ebay when you're looking to liquidate? To fenton's comment, seems there should be some viable coin selling venues other than ebay where one can presumably sell for above melt, but likely less than "top dollar". Do you sell via vest pocket at coin shows? Seems one could go dealer to dealer and ask if anyone is interested and what they would offer, right?
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I put them in a 2x2, slap a grade on them and put them in a $5 or $7 bin at shows. Or if I'm lazy I'll just separate them by denomination, throw them into a bin unholdered and slap a dollar number on the bin to let folks pick out the coins they want. I do the same with large cents. But of course you have to rent a table to do this and want to have many more tgp graded coins to sell for it to be feasible.

Your dilemma is a perfect example of why purchasing low grade coin's one by one never works out on the backend. Again I buy those types of coins for cheap in bulk from pawn shops and wholesalers.

Of course you can shop them to different dealers and see if someone will bite at $60 but I doubt it. And don't waste your time trying to sell them to pawn shops.
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MikeF - I'm guessing you're in a metropolitan area with more than 500,000 people. Pawn Shops in Syracuse don't typically offer "coins for cheap in bulk". Also, I agree with your coin show strategy, that sounds like a good approach, which I could try when I'm in my 70s looking to sell some or all of my collection (if I accumulate enough to make it worth it by then). Since I'm no longer targeting any coins in F or lower (unless a key date), I'm hoping resale offers will improve in the event I need to sell any VF and better coins. I'm chalking this experience up to as a lesson learned, buying low grade coins will only yield low grade offers at resale.
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It is a hobby one_fine_dime. You have hole-fillers for old style albums.

Think about the hobbyists that want your coins. Then think about who would buy them to resell to them. There aren't that many people that walk in off the street in Syracuse looking for a G4 1897 dime, or Chicago, or anywhere. This guy started his auction at $.01.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Early-1897...AOSwKSlcQlfR

If you don't take the dealer's offer do what the rest of us do here. Enjoy your coins.
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Lower grade common coins like these Barber quarters can sit in a dealer's stock for years. IMHO. the dealer offered a fair price. It's been my experience that dealers will pay close to bid for early dated, key date and higher grade type coins.

Consider that Barber quarters are not as widely collected as the dimes and halves. The three, quite expensive, S-mint keys discourage many would-be collectors.

if our OP is disinclined to accept the dealer's offer, my suggestion is to put the lot in a local antique auction, being one that routinely draws a fair crowd. Have them sold "by the piece." I've had great success with this strategy over the years; this, despite paying the auctioneer 15-20% of the price realized. Antique dealers tend to like having some coins in stock, and they'll bid a fair base price. That said, impulse buyers who typically know little about coins will often drive prices upwards for hundred year old coins. Then too, their valuations will be based on the inflated catalog and magazine price guides. the last time I did this, a few years ago now, a page of twenty, common date Mercuries realized $6, apiece.
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