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Another very nice looking coin Ron! I'm not into shiny so these lovely 2 tone coins you've been buying are very appealing....  We've had 'The Bold'..'The Fat'...'The Amorous'...The beloved and the Mad'....What other names did the French use?  Nice addition ...Paul |
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Another excellent pick-up, Ron. Thanks for sharing.
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In the Capetian dynasty there was:
Robert II, The pious, the Wise
Philip I, The Amorous
Louis VI, The Fat
Louis VII, The Young
Philip II, The Augustus
Louis VIII, The Lion
Louis IX, The Saint
Philip III, The Bold
Philip IV The Fair
Louis X, The Quarreler
John I, The Poshumous
Philip V, The Tall
Charles IV, The Fair
Only Hugh Capet and Henry didn't have any nickname.
Thanks for the comments.
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Question: The seller uses the reference for these coins as DY. Can someone tell me what that is?
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Numista uses the abbreviation Dy for Duplessy: Monnaies françaises royales by Jean Duplessy (Maison Platt). Some auction houses use Dup. for this reference (confusing!)
Based on the few medieval French royals I have had (and now sold), I think this is the standard reference.
For feudal France, I think @spence can advise on refernces, including Roberts.
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02/10/2019 8:03 pm
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Yep I have a couple sets of books on medieval French coins by Duplessy:
1. Les Monnaies Francaises Feodales (2 volumes)
2. Les Monnaies Francaises Royales (2 volumes)
The books of royal issues show coins in chronological order while the feudal issues are first broken down by municipality. This would be fine except that there doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to the order of the various states (e.g. they aren't in alphabetical order).
For this royal issue of Phillip III, I agree with the attribution of Dup 204. Ron, your coin has nicely clear legends, but just in case you have any questions, the obv legend is + PHILIPVS REX while the rev legend is + TVRONVS CIVIS.
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Wow Ron, that is a beauty! Nice readable legends.
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there doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to the order of the various states Since you mention that, I've noticed that the Elsen and (I think) Kunker auctions (and maybe others) list the feudal French states in non-alphabetical order as well, perhaps aligning with the Duplessy order?. Since Lorraine is always farther back than their alphabetical order would warrant, I've wondered if the order has to do with date that coinage either began or ended as an entity independent from the French crown. Lorraine wasn't fully wrapped into France until the mid-1700s and issued coins under the authority of the Duke of Lorraine as late as 1736. |
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Thanks for the information on the reference and the legend. I agree this one does have a readable legend though I have to get use to the font style.
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though I have to get use to the font style. Me too...Ron I found this page its quite interesting and might help...It did for me....Your coins mint city + TVRONVS CIVIS. is mentioned in the reverse legend section and it also gives a decent breakdown of some of the more obscure letters such as the P etc.. http://www.chicagocoinclub.org/proj...PiN/mec.html |
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Thanks Paul, I copied it to my coin files and will read it in the morning.
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