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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I came across this coin when I went to a coin show in Florida. They had buckets of foreign coins that they were allowing people to take at one point of time, as it was only one time you could do it. I grabbed a handful and when I got home I found this. Now I understand that it was a coin show so that probably shouldn't happen but it was a small coin show, and they only dealt with US currency. I managed to look this coin up and I found out it is .900 gold. The hole in it is probably just some person turning it into a necklace. I'm assuming that the blackish parts is just corrosion. Now what I am unsure about is that the coin is supposed to weigh 8.4 grams. It ways 4.2, maybe this is because it has been chipped away by corrosion or not. I am wondering if the coin is real, I have not taken it to get looked at. Is it valuable? Rare? Thanks so much!      |
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Pillar of the Community
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I can't imagine the coin losing 1/2 its weight from the wear shown. 10-15% maybe. If you look at the tunic over the bust, it looks more pronounced than the original. Maybe a contemporary counterfeit?
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Hm...maybe. Based on my research if the coin is a contemporary counterfeit, it has the same .900 gold value in 4.2 grams right? I am assuming this because I doubt they had gold colored paint or whatnot. It seems that contemporary counterfeits are rising in interest...what do you guys think? Need expert ple ASE |
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United States
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Wait...did a bit more research and I believe this coin to sadly be a fake. It was probably used as a token, via the hole in it. I think the coin is 25mm, I'm bad at measuring so idk but those two factors generally mean that it's a token.
Well, guess I'll trash it then.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks more like some sort of brass alloy than gold.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The two images with the coin looking pale is not proper light.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Doesn't look gold to me, gold does not patina like that
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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It may have been originally manufactured as a gold plated counterfeit - now looks quite brassy.
Weight loss of around 50% seems too much, even with the extensive wear as seen in the pictures.
Edited by sel_69l
02/25/2019 3:50 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 For sure. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Its a contemporary circulating counterfeit in brass (Cu/Zn). These Isabel II also come in Pt/Au and Au. The brass CCCs are usually 50% of regal. Coins normally lose 5% of their weight due to wear and you can add another 5% due to the hole - approximately. BTW never seen an Isabel II in bronze or in high Sn.
I agree with Sei may have been originally a mercuric gold amalgamated brass issue or possibly just in brass. I have analyzed both where some brass issues did not register Hg or Au ON THE SURFACE.
John Lorenzo
United States
Edited by colonialjohn
02/25/2019 5:08 pm
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United States
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These are well known among collectors of coins of Isabel II. The two predominant theories identify them as game counters (think poker chips) and/or contemporary counterfeits in brass that may originally have had a thin coating of gold. I suspect both of these was the case, but details from contemporary sources are hard to come by. While interesting numismatically, especially as the complete truth surrounding their origin remains unclear, they are of little monetary value to collectors. Better looking examples are encountered in the $1 to $3 range. I hope this is helpful. Thanks for posting an Isabel II related piece!  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks for this confirming input.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Oh well I suppose, thank you guys for confirming my conclusions.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Edited by Dorado
02/26/2019 12:14 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thought as much, thank you
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Valued Member
Spain
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Here you can see an authentic one to compare (sorry for the quality, it is not easy to take good photos of a gold coin)    As they said, yours is not gold. Regards |
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Posted 02/25/2019 2:07 pm
