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Common Dates Bringing Astronomical Prices

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People collect coins for many reasons. Some enjoyment others as a hedge to they're finances. As a Coin World subscriber I read the auction results with amazement at the price some collectors go in acquiring a coin. Yes these do tend to have issues keeping them in the lower MS grades. Yes, these are most likely individuals looking to build a registry set, the best of the best. However, I'd like to air my thoughts for some feedback.

Recently, as an example, a 1978d Eisenhower dollar graded MS-67 with a CAC sticker hammered at $8,160.75 during a Great Collections auction September 30, 2018. Granted, both PCGS and NGC have both only graded 4 with none higher each at this level, but I ask myself how long before that population rises? Of the 33 million minted both have grade less than ten percent of that total mintage. At some point others will come along and that price will drop drastically if an MS-67= or 68 appears. So was it wise to spend the amount for status?

Continuing with the above example, coins grading MS-66 are selling at confusing prices as well. On ebay they can be found for under a hundred, while at another auction the same grade brought $660. To that end, I'd speculate the auction bidder to be an investor. And, yes, I am aware that eye appeal plays a large part in it all. But at such a large price variance? What am I missing?
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Them Ike dollars are tricky. Tricky and dangerous. I do enjoy my raw MS62-64's though, most were acquired for above spot or face. I'm not knocking the high grade folks...but I do scratch me head.
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What your missing is that for a long time the market has been all about quality. The under 100 example to 660 you should post some links there's definitely more going on there.

As far as the MS 67 CAC Ike, probably 99 percent of IKEs were never 67s to begin with even fresh off the press. It's a common misconception about moderns that top pops are just laying around all over the place and most get destroyed anyway because so many people think they're common coins or they were used by a non collector.

Finances are all relative. 9k to the buyer may be the equivalent to 20 bucks for us, just like $20 is more than a years salary for some people in the world. These buyers case these coins because they love them, not as an investment. We should be celebrating that people like the coins enough to chase them like that
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Just like in society, in collecting there are different levels of collectors.

The budget minded (including myself). Collecting mostly circulated and/or lower grade.
The mid range. Those who collect uncs only and lower level slabs, i.e. MS69
Upper end collectors. Albums filled with MS70 only, slabs in PR70, etc.
The invisible collector/investor. Those are the names and faces you never see. Those are the ones who can pay any price for anything they fancy.
The auction guys you mentioned.

Personally I couldn't care less about resale value. I collect for the history and the fun. Every circulated coin has a story to tell. I have a 1928P Peace dollar I got in a family hoard. Never gonna sell it. Everything will go to my daughter one day, then, hopefully, to my granddaughter. One day, when currency is totally replaced by electronic payments, she can look at my coins and see what was!
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Recently, as an example, a 1978d Eisenhower dollar graded MS-67 with a CAC sticker hammered at $8,160.75 during a Great Collections auction September 30, 2018.
I like Ike, but not that much!

I am happy with 1978-D MS-66.
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It's not about "investing". People at that level don't care what they spend on "status". How many can really tell the difference between a 66+ and a 67? What explicit repeatable grading standard sets a half-point difference? Yet the PCGS trend value on the 1978-D is $700 vs $9250. It's all about the number on the slab and bragging rights. If a 67+ comes along, they'll fight over it and dump the 67 at a loss and not care a bit.

I see similarities in the world of high end bicycles. Once you get past x thousand dollars, the next level up in price is undetectable, but these guys will blah blah your ear off about how much better it is.
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