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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There are coin copies available online that look like yours.
One is plated brass selling for $2 each and the other is silver selling for $56.
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United States
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I'm with you Paul - I don't like it. Besides the mushy details, the dentils are definitely off - much too small, especially on the obverse. I also agree with you about the '3' in the date. To me, the planchet itself is much too circular. I've seen enough of these to know that you'd be very hard pressed to find such a symmetrical planchet. Take a look below, I've taken both images and overlayed a true circle in each:   I'd imagine an observation of the coin in hand would also show additional anomalies. Ask the seller for the weight. |
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cableguy You are absolutely right!Even if the weight was right I bet it's not a roller die piece! The coin is available on a well known site and it's being sold by a german dealer,from which I bought several coins in the past,all of them genuine.I was intrigued about how can a dealer with a ton of experience and positive feedback, can't spot anything funny about this piece!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Could be just another die variety, but I can't think of a way to prove it, other than with XRF testing.
Even that method is unreliable in this case.
It IS possible to strike coin using a new die, hubbed from an original coin, and using recycled metal recovered from contemporary coins. That way, the trace element %tage spread also reflects that of the original coin.
Such copy dies are usually cleaned up to sharpen up a lot of the detail, before being used. In this case, look closely at the coin in question with a 10X loupe, looking in particular for minor tooling work.
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sel_69l I'm not saying that there's not a chance for you to be right,but in my research I have literally checked tens of 1643 pieces and none has the features of this one.In the past we had a similar debate around here, on the 1641 issue that I have, coin that initially seemed like a fake ,but digging deeper showed two different dies,the 1641 and the 1641/39.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I defer to you.
You have the advantage of examining a few examples.
My score? Nil. Hence the more generalised approach.
(Probably comes from a background of questioning ancient coins, where die differences are the norm, and the coin in question can still be authentic.)
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Paul - anything is possible. I'm going with my gut feeling here and what I see based on the picture.
Who knows, the coin might be a very good forgery in Silver or it just might be authentic. Hard to tell without the coin in hand.
From my perspective, I see much not to like this coin, so if it was me, I'd pass.
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cableguy I would definitely not buy it!Indeed,it's too much of a risk without a closer examination.My goal was to point out that it's something wrong about it,in case some member of this forum sees it and decides to buy the piece!As usual,thank you for your input!
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