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*** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Afternoon all Been lurking for a while, really enjoy trawling through the many and various threads on here. I'd really appreciate opinions on a sovereign I bought from ebay the other day. I love sovereigns but I'm no expert. Question1: Is it real? Question2: What would you grade it? Dimensions are correct. Weight is a fraction under at 7.96g but within acceptable tolerances imo. The photos aren't the best.. how many times have you heard that on here ;) First attempt to photo a coin with my phone. Let me know if you want more/better and I'll have another go this evening.   One query I had straight away is the colour. In the pics is a post-2000 sovereign bought from a reputable dealer for comparison. Look forward to your input, cheers.
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 to CCF... I have moved you post to the UK subforum, where you might get more response to your inquires. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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to me the color is not off, but I don't collect sovereigns, they will have a slight color difference to the modern sovereign (modern ones look more bronzish colorwise), there are a few collectors here so you'll have to wait for a better opinion  Edited by ryurazu
03/17/2019 9:26 pm
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United Kingdom
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FYI The die used for the obverse is the one used for the rarer 1842 1/4d (a rare date in its own right).
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ryurazu
to me the color is not off, but I don't collect sovereigns, they will have a slight color difference to the modern sovereign (modern ones look more bronzish colorwise), there are a few collectors here so you'll have to wait for a better opinion Thanks. I've read that for a few mints and dates, and actual-gold forgeries some/all copper was substituted for silver in the alloy that would give the coin a more yellow look. This is the first older sovereign I've added to my collection. I knew from photos and a little first-hand experience that older ones are often less copper-coloured, but it was still surprising the difference when I put it alongside. Quote:
peter1234
FYI The die used for the obverse is the one used for the rarer 1842 1/4d (a rare date in its own right). Cheers.. is that the missing serif on the "1", open "2", or something else? Had a quick google and can't find anything about 1/4d die except the link below, which is pretty much a dead end: http://www.predecimal.com/forum/top...2-sovereign/ |
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Ireland
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Thanks for the welcomes and replies all. Quote:PaddyB This link shows the different dies for the 1842 Farthing, if that helps: http://aboutfarthings.co.uk/catalog...42-farthing/ Cheers Paddy, interesting.. die info is a bit harder to track down online. Any recommendations on worthwhile books to get are welcome.. there are a lot of Amazon. So no one getting any major alarm bells over this coin? My gut is saying "real", but I'm not experienced enough to be happy trusting it yet. Toying with the idea of getting it checked by someone either local or a grading service as it's potentially quite rare.. but obviously that isn't cheap. |
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Gold is not really my area, so I can't advise on the authenticity of the OP coin with any authority. It looks OK to me, and that is the colour I would expect for Vicky Sovereigns. On books - the "bible" on Sovereigns is Marsh, but I don't have it so I can't tell you how much it goes into on die variations. For British Silver I believe it is Peck and for British Bronze it is Freeman (recently reprinted and updated). The aboutfarthings website is the best online for them, and there is also https://headsntails14.wordpress.com/ for pennies. No one seems to have done one for halfpennies yet. |
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United Kingdom
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Paddy I must correct you;Main books are
British silver...English Silver coinage from 1649 (ESC)
Davis from 1816
Groom 20 C
Peck is for cu and bronze in the BM.
Freeman cu/bronze from 1860
Groom 20 C
There are also further publications by specialists for specialists.
Colin Cookes site also has excellent illustrated catalogs of 1/4,1/2d and 1d's
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03/19/2019 10:06 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thanks for that Peter - as you know I don't stray into the variation business terribly far and I only have Freeman in hard copy.
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United Kingdom
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 Looks OK to me. I have several British sovereigns and the more recent ones are definitely more 'reddish' than the older ones. The gold in earlier sovereigns was alloyed with silver and copper, but in recent ones it's just alloyed with copper. There's a chart here showing the metal composition of sovereigns: https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/analy...vereigns/180 |
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Ireland
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I've just ordered the latest Marsh edition on Sovereigns. Appreciate the advice on books Paddy, Peter.
Cheers Rob for the verdict and link.
I reckon I'll hold off on getting it formally checked.
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