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8 Reales Posted- Looking For Observations & Comments

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 Posted 03/24/2019  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, but there are clearly many distinguishing features between the counterfeit and the two genuine obverses for the 1842 OM Zs 8R, especially in the cactus, rock and wreathing where swamperbob was focusing our attention with his pictures and comments.

The Cap & Rays 8 reales are not a trivial series to collect. There are issues from so many mints through so many years and various changes in minting practice. And then you have the contemporary counterfeits to learn. Personally, I find the challenge too daunting -- I will stick with the earlier colonial issues.

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My comment of on the cactus was based on the subject coin not looking like either of the 1842 die styles. The "extreme spikes" just don't look real. And the cactus look nothing like the late style (Bob calls style of 1843) due to having the extra paddle.
By the way Albert...the Riddel book used to be available as a free download off the web at https://archive.org/details/RidellM...llar/page/n9
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Thank you for the the link. I came across that earlier during online research but then lost track of where I saw it.
Now I have the download in PDF to read at my pleasure. The Mike Dunigan book and the Un-real Reales will also be added to my library.
I don't have many of these coins, only just a few with another one expected to arrive very soon.
I expect to share pictures of that with Swamperbob as it seems to be of interest.
I don't collect the series or types, I just want to understand how to explain what features make them counterfeits.
Some readers of my binder pages often ask me how I know the coin is a counterfeit. So I need to have some sort of explanation and be able to point out flaws.
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No one has mentioned the large defect between the eagle's wing (to the viewer's right) and the tail on the OP's coin. It looks raised to me - if so, what would account for it?

Apologies if I'm looking at it wrong and it's just a gouge.
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It is in fact a raised line. I did offer to provide pics of raised lines and scratches.
And I can do that after taking photos of your mentioned flaw last night.
So thank you for making the comment.
I was also hoping for comments on the Cap & Rays side as well as comments on the edge pictures.
Trouble is, the topic first came up near the bottom of one thread.
And then later when this coin arrived, I began with a new thread dedicated to this coin.
No apology needed, you are not wrong, it is not a gouge.
Here are some raised lines near the wings. The coin has a mix of raised lines and scratches. I can post an image with a small marker by raised lines if needed.

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