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How Does Darkness Affect The Value Of A Coin?

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I have a 1913 S type 2 Buffalo nickel. It has good detail but is very dark. It is black. How does this affect the value of the coin?

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To me, a dark coin has the possibility to hide to much and I would go pretty low on value, but that's me. I hate toning/dark with a passion. Others will chime in, lots like toning/dark coins.

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That coin has environmental damage and is probably not restorable.
Too bad as the details are quite sharp.
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"In the dark all coins are grey". Maybe that is not quite what Mr Franklin said....?
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It limits the number of people interested in the coin and puts downward pressure on the value if it is scarce or rare. For common coins, most people would not find the need to opt for a really dark coin, unless you have a preference for that attribute for some reason.

The 13sT2 is a key date, so you'll be able to move it, but you'll get squeezed on the price if you need to move it quickly.
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Darkness makes coins harder to photograph properly.
That factor may well be very detrimental to making coins easier to sell on ebay.

I will always choose a blast white silver coin before an equivalent very dark silver coin of exactly the same grade.
Same applies with copper and bronze coins: my preference will always for brown coins over black coins.


Always easy peasy to sell Buffalo nickels in freshly minted white color, especially in AU or better.
Harder to shift the darker examples of equivalent grade.
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Thanks for everyone's replies. I am new to collecting so I greatly appreciate everyone's feedback. Do you think I could get $200 for the coin?
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Usually dark means environmental damage or fire damage. At any rate a details coin.
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How Does Darkness Affect The Value Of A Coin?


It reduces the value in almost every situation. Extremely dark coins can become a boat anchor.
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Just to toss in my (anything but Two Cents on this forum). I have been watching a lot of Heritage auctions in an effort to observe bidding on coins I might like to bid on later. In watching auctions of MS-65 Barber halves, it seems like the shiny, blast white ones run up to near their ultimate sale price very quickly, rather than the darker toned specimens which move up more slowly but ultimately usually catch up with the bright and shinies. Some very dark coins, even though graded MS65, never come close to catching up, though.
I think this is consistent with NS' observation that there are fewer buyers for darker coins.
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PCGS adjusts grades from +1 to -2 steps for eye appeal, not counting coins so environmentally damaged that they come back detailed.
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I copied the photos into Irfanview, and increased the brightness and contrast to see them better. They are somewhat blurry, especially the obverse, so you need to steady the camera better. I also suggest shining more light on the nickel.

I can't tell from the originals or my version how dark it really is.

Have you tried a short soak in acetone to try to clean it up safely?
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Dark toning on silver, copper or brass is "natural" and has a generally slight negative effect, though some may like it. It really does depend on the coin, and the nature of the toning - not all "black" is the same. I have a nearly-Unc Australian Canberra florin (sterling silver) with a glossy "pearl black" toning to it; the dealer sold it to me cheaply, saying I'd have to dip it, but I find its current appearance much more appealing than if the same coin were dipped until it were blast-white.

Dark toning on cupronickel coins like that buffalo is not natural. It's been through a fire or exposed to some other extreme environment to turn that colour.
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