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Australia Convict Love Token From?

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Rare personal convict mementos

Smoothing and engraving a coin with a message of affection was one of the few ways a convict transported to Australia could leave a memento behind with loved ones in England.

These small tokens are also known as 'leaden hearts'. They record personal and emotional responses from convicts whose lives are more often represented by official government records.

Thats about all I know about these trying to identify who engraved this one not sure if many people specialize in these so may be hard to find out

on the obv it reads NO PEN CAN WRITE NO TONGE CAN TELL THE ACHING HEART THAT BIDS FAREWELL JANE then after that it looks like B FOTHER MAYBE?

and of course on the rev it reads When this you se remember me until I gain my liberty

Looking for any help I can to identify this one let me know if anyone has any ideas of who this person was?


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Interesting write up and cool example.
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perhaps BROTHER
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took it to icg today just to get it authenticated maybe they will find out more about it for me ;)
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I don't think ICG are into delving onto British criminal records to try to identify who "Jane" might be. It is ambiguous whether "Jane" is the convict (female convicts were rare, but not unheard of) or the sister (?) of the convict, to whom the token is addressed. WIth no date or name other than "Jane", I doubt anything defininte is going to come up in terms of a specific convict.

It's my understanding that there were people on the docks where the convict ships were leaving, who would make these mementos for departing convicts (for a fee, of course). Apart from the "Jane Brother" inscription, the messages on this piece are generic (so would have been supplied by the token-maker, rather than the convict themselves). It's likely that the token-maker had this piece ready made up, with just a blank space ready for the adding of the name. "Jane Brother" would have been meaningful to the person or people who requested it be made, but without that personal context, I'm afraid the meaning will have been lost.
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Sadly like you said they couldn't find anything on it but they were nice enough not to charge me I still love the coin its a great piece maybe someday I will find out more about it
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