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I have two of these coins, and I have been trying to narrow down the attribution(s). It looks like they are Jital of Spalapati Deva, but there appear to be a number of dynasties that minted roughly the same coin, and they could be anywhere from 500 - 1000 AD. Any help would be appreciated, along with specifying the distinguishing features.
First Coin 17.2mm, 3.2 grams 
Second Coin 18.2mm, 3.3 grams  |
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I didn't know that Doug Smith had an article about Bull and Horseman jitals too - and it's very neat!
Looking at the examples there, it appears that the OP's second coin is actually a Samanta Deva type. I thought that the legends didn't quite match each other.
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@January
I was thinking the same based on that article. However, the character above the horse's rump seems to be a distinguishing character, but I can't find a match for the second coin, and the first is missing that character because of the off-center strike.
Either way, let's say that coin 1 is KA tye 6. How does that correlate to a specific dynasty?
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Although no one knows with certainty, the Spalapati Deva coins are usually attributed to the Turk Shahi dynasty at Kabul, c. 750-900 while the Samanta Deva coins are assigned to the Hindu Shahis at Ohind, c. 850-1000. Spalapati Deva and Samanta Deva are titles, not necessarily the names of specific rulers. The first coin is probably Tye 5, though it could be 6 or 7. The determining factor is the symbol above the horse's hind quarters which is not fully visible on your coin. The second coin is probably Tye 14 but, like the first coin, not everything is visible. We know that they belong to the original Shahi series because of their size and good silver content. Coins of later dynasties differ in design, style and fabric.
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04/09/2019 9:43 pm
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Thank you everybody for your input.
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I had so many of these in bronze and everytime I listed them for sale I put, rather vaguely thinking about it now: "First minted by the Shahi kings circa 600 AD, Balban the Great, the Sultan of Delhi, was issuing similar designs as late as 1287 AD" Link to a past listing that ended is below if you want to see a photo of four of them that I called "a small herd" of these. https://www.ebay.com/itm/123724528660 |
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Its hard to fathom that those 4 coins sold for $5.
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04/11/2019 07:26 am
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Friends: Are these Jitals from the same general series? I have had a hard time finding the references. Thanks in advance:    |
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I tried responding to your PM, but it bounced with Mailserver error twice. I tried sending you a PM through the site, but not sure if you received it.
I see that the first group that you had sold depicts the same scene as the ones I posted (Bull and Horseman), but this second group seems different to me. Sorry I can't be much help on this, but I am unfamiliar with the series.
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@louisvillekyshop Yes, they are jitals descended from the earlier bull and horseman coins. These coins have the Samanta Deva bull obverse but the reverse names the Ghaznavid sultan Ibrahim, 1059-1099, in Arabic: saif / al-sultan / al-a'zam / Abu'l Muzaffar / Ibrahim. All 4 are Deyell 97, Tye 103 var ( 'adl above reverse), Album 1645. no mint or date but the Ghaznavid jitals with the Samanta Deva bull obverse are usually assigned to Lahore. Edited by Kushanshah
04/17/2019 1:40 pm
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The numista page defines Ibrahim's jital as 1/50 rupee, even though the first rupee would not be issued for another 500 years. A reminder that sites like numista and wildwinds should never be taken at face value. A good library will pay for itself many times over.
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