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1796 Copper Myddelton Token Authenticity?

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 Posted 04/13/2019  5:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Well, my area is ancient Roman coinage, so I'm out of my element. I picked this up with some other coinage (large cents, Indian head pennies etc..)from a yard sale. Well, I investigated and if this thing is real, I may have hit the jackpot.

I'm not that lucky though, so I seriously doubt it.

10.2 grams

Thanks everyone.




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 Posted 04/13/2019  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@TC, in looking at other CCF threads mentioning this Kentucky pattern (and PCGS), looks like the real thing should be 29.4 mm and 11.31 grams, with serifs that are not split:

http://goccf.com/t/21210
http://goccf.com/t/22796

Added: I should point out that I'm pretty far out of my area of collecting with this piece and look forward to others weighing in with more knowledge.
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A whole gram off hmmmm not looking good. I'm going to search for replicas. If this is one, I would suspect it's old.
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There are many replicas out there of this particular token (both the copper and silver "proof") but I think this may be an older electrotype based on the edge and surfaces, although a clear shot of the edge would be most helpful.

There is also a possibility that this is a Heaton restrike (ca. 1850s) using old dies from Soho but I can't find any evidence that this token was restruck by Heaton.

The texture and surfaces are off compared to modern available replicas, most of which are made from spark-erosion transfer dies or cast copies of existing pieces. Of course, someone could have taken a modern replica and "aged" it to make it look much older.
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...someone could have taken a modern replica and "aged" it to make it look much older.


This may be the case, I found a replica that may be a match.


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