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Andrew Jackson $1.00- Small Second T In Trust.

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 Posted 08/22/2008  12:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Picked up a roll of Andy Jackson's today- pulled this one out

A small second t in Trust.

Is this a Struck Through Grease error or something else caused this.

Why is the T smaller than a normal T?


It looks nice

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 Posted 08/22/2008  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not Struck Through Grease. Looks more like the second T was possibly broken off the edge die.
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 Posted 08/22/2008  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Conder101.


This something that happened during the minting process or post-mint?

I'm not at all familiar with how they made the letters and date go on the rim of the Presidential coins.

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 Posted 08/22/2008  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Look more closely at the picture. It's the small details that matter, If you look at the edge and the rim in the area of the second T of TRUST, you can see a minor ding, (let's call it a dimple). As the coin went through the edge lettering machine, that second T was weakly added to the edge because the metal was a little depressed.

Thanks,
Bill
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08/23/2008 1:18 pm
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 Posted 08/22/2008  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rockdude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been looking for an hour a still don't see no D. ?
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 Posted 08/22/2008  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill:

I'm with rockdude on this

When did a "D" come into this equation?

Only possible "D" I can make out is "something in between the S and last T in trust.

See pics below.

Is this what you are referring to?

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Thanks,

Chuck
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 Posted 08/23/2008  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add puman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check out the website smalldollars.com. I had some interesting edge lettering turn up on some coins and the site was very helpful.
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 Posted 08/23/2008  05:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe he meant T and typed D.

I can' tll from the picturd if th edge is showing sa slight dimple or not (In effect a less than 1% clipped planchet.) If it is what I suspected then it is part of the minting process. Did you only find one? If my explaination is correct there will be more of them out there and chances would be fair that there would be one or two more in that roll.
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If the edge was impacted prior to the coin being sent through the lettering device, then this would result in slightly smaller diameter in this one spot. The result would be a shallow, thin letter. And that's what we see here. So foundinrolls is correct.
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 Posted 08/23/2008  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike.

Conder101:

Out of a roll of 25, 20 were "DUDS"

The remaining 5 were :

1. This coin with the weak T (also a "Weak Strike Lettering Coin"
No other coin had this identical feature of the weak T in this roll.

2.* One coin that has a portion of the "J" in Jackson sheared off. Pictures attached, also the same coin has the "B in Pluribus "CUT"
*Normal Strike Coin- Deep Cut Lettering etc.*


3. 3 other coins also have the "Weak Lettering Feature" Pictures attached.

*4 coins total for weak lettering of which 3 are Position A- (Obverse of Jackson, lettering is rightside up) and 1 Position B. (Obverse of Jackson,lettering is upside down.

The coin with the " WEAK T " is a Position A Coin.


Thanks for your input!


Hope this helps.

Chuck.


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D=Typo:-) Fixed now....Only T cause there ain't no D :-) Too Tah, Too Tah:-) T....see:-)

My fault. I analyze things when I goof and I was thinking dimple, and depressed and popped out the D instead of the T.

In any case, just weakly struck into the edge because the edge had a ding.

Thanks,
Bill
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Coppercoins said this in another post when referring to something else. You guys are looking too hard. All the things I've seen in all those pictures are just normal occurrences as hundreds of thousands to millions of the planchets and then later coins get banged around before and after the strike. The only letter that is weak is the one T and I made note of that. As long as the words on the edge can be read, .....they count.

I have some Jefferson dollars that are considered "weak edges" and the edge lettering is practically non-existent. That's weak lettering. Anything else falls within the realms of normal as far as the depth of lettering goes.

Thanks,
Bill
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08/23/2008 1:36 pm
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Thanks Bill:

Just to clear the air on this, not my original words or terminology.

FYI- they are already selling these "WEAK LETTER" coins on ebay!

*Caveat Emptor!*

But I'll still hang on to these for my own reasons. :)
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08/23/2008 2:46 pm
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Hi,

The big point here is that they will sell anything on ebay by creating a perception that something is unusual and therefore valuable. You are correct with your "buyer beware" concept.

I don't want to go through some of what has been mentioned before in some other posts by others that pertain to the market and prices and that if someone wants to buy coins of no value that they become worth what someone is willing to pay.

My premise is that worthless coins are still worthless and seeing them on ebay doesn't change that.

So definitely, Buyer beware...(Caveat Emptor) :-)

Thanks,
Bill



Thanks,
Bill
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Or being quoted on an on going auction. Words can get twisted at times.
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