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Valued Member
Canada
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How to grade a coin is a big factor in this hobby. http://www.saskatooncoinclub.ca/art...ns-ver2.html will show you a photo of a graded coin and a description of the grade. I recommend you read all the grades and then you will have a better understanding of what ms65 means.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here is a simple explanation: MS stands for Mint State. A coin in the condition it came from the mint is mint state. The less scratches/nicks/damage, the higher the grade of MS goes. The highest is MS70 which is a perfect coin. Before the numeric system of gradin coins was implemented, people used to just call a coin good, very goos, fine, verfine, extra fine, and uncirculated. Things like "almost uncirculated" and "about fine" could also be used. When an Uncirculated coin was really exceptional in appearance people would use descriptive words like "gem unc.," and "Bright Unc., " (or B.U.). It was all in the eyes of the beholder. Nowadays you will still see the same words such as Fine, but followed by a number to tell which level of Fine the coin is graded as. While mine post is not as eloquent - this is what Wikipedia should have, more or less, said. And, BTW, even the current system of grading coins is subjecive - its still not a science. Oh - one more thing... once a "professional" grading service (third party grading company or TPG) grades a coin, if the grade they put on it is MS65 or above, that's when prices can really start to go up that people will pay for the coin. Well...technically they are paying for the opinion of the TPG and what the label says, b/c the same coin broken out and resubmitted is never guaranteed the same grade aagin ...even if the coin has not changed in any way.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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In addition to my previous existing confusion... if these dollars are all PL ranges as Pacificoin says above (I can't argue at all) this would still make even 1974 dollar worth as much as $60, and not the face value as otherwise suggested. Even at the low end of PL it's worth $4 (which I could sell to someone for $5 possibly, most people drop that on Starbucks which will never appreciate). Sorry, just looking for clarification. Here is the link I am going by: http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...ar-1965-1989Really not trying to argue. Just trying to understand better. Even $4 (when I have 2 dozen of them) is better than a buck. 
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Again, I checked that link above (from Tlutz) and it doesn't have 2/3 of the coins I wanted to compate, including most from this post alone.
Off to End Game folks. Thanks for all the data.... Still processing.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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You will have them for the next 10 years to find a buyer at 5$
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Valued Member
Canada
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Just because it ends at PL-64 doesn't mean that there isn't lower then PL-64, it just means the book deems them to be face value at that point. Book values are highly generous, especially the younger the coin, even at 10 years as Alan suggests I doubt you could even get rid of 5 of them at $4 each. Even at $2 each you wouldn't sell fast and even when you did with ebay fees and shipping at cost you would be making maybe 50-60 cents a coin for alot of work. People tend to underestimate the work that goes into selling as well. Treat the book values as a guide so you don't get ripped off, they are there to show you what is valuable and what is not, comparing 1922-1936 nickels you can easily tell that 1925, 1926 are worth money and should get more special attention then the other dates because they are more common and require better condition to be collectible. Don't take it as now I know exactly how much they are worth because 1. you can't sell to a book and 2. you don't know how to grade.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Also check ebay sold items for an idea of what they are actually selling for. Then, as has been mentioned, take into account ebay fees etc.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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I guess that was kind of my point. Knowing something is "PL" is still completely useless, without knowing the actual grade, as PL has such a huge range. 64 to 66 has a ~59 dollar variance. So knowing "PL" how does that actually help anyone? You or me? Who is qualified (except the dude that wants to buy my coins for cheap, and charges me $75/hr) to assign that grade? I hope you know there is no" tone" as I wonder these things "aloud".
The more I know, the more disillusioned I become :(
I still appreciate everyone for contributing their time.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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. o 0 ( How do I know they are not the PL-66 variety? )
Ahhh coins. So much fun lol
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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As others have mentioned, you need to ignore the "catalog" price, try looking at the actual prices sold (see link below), but also look at the sales volume, most of them will be low single digits, meaning they don't move very often. http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...&Send=SearchLast time I sold nickle dollars, I sold a bulk lot of 10 for for $20, and it took a few months to sell. Basically I cleared about $0.60 per coin for an un-circulated coin. Most coins from 1968+ are only worth face value, with a few notable exceptions (1973 LB quarter, 1974 $1 yoke, etc...). These coins will eventually sell above face value, but it will take time if you are trying to charge too much of premium. Another example, I have listed a bunch of individual uncirculated loonies for sale at $3 each, after 1 year, I have sold 4. I'm in no hurry, but that is the kind of market you are up against on ebay. In most cases it is not worth the effort to sell, too much supply, not enough demand. You may want to try listing as a bulk lot, sometimes that will give you your best chance at a sale, but probably not worth too much. Selling individually is a long drawn out process. Older stuff (pre-1950's and silver can yield you some good value).
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Valued Member
Canada
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Having the right references is probably the first step if you wanted to learn. After that it's only about experience, the more you see the more you will know. I would suggest local coin clubs if available you can quickly find out who is knowledgeable and experienced and most people are happy to help out. Past that there are also many reputable dealers available if you were looking to sell as a lot and I'm sure many could make suggestions based on your location. You can easily keep posting pictures especially of things that you might think are worth more and if you want second or third opinions there is other coin forums, Reddit, coin shows, coin clubs. Remember cheap is a relative term sometimes people are unrealistic in value. If a coin if it books at 70, has a market value of say 40, a dealer isn't going to give you 30 bucks for it it just wouldn't be worth the time.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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PL coins are all just as the name suggests .. .they are bright and shiny and have never been out of a drawer or in someone's pocket. Every single one of them will be at least 62 up to 65 and there are thousands of them available... collectors much much prefer coins meant for circulation and above 62/63, NOT PL's. You'll be lucky to get much of a premium over face, regardless what the "books" say they are worth. You have a daunting task, but the first thing you need is knowledge to weed out the common stuff and concentrate on coins that have a proven track record and that folks want due to scarcity and demand. Even if a coin has only 1,000 minted (rather than 10's of millions), if there are only 100-200 collectors, the coins are virtually worthless and probably worth less than issue price.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Well I am about to give up. I use the internet as a resource as suggested, and am then told to ignore it lol
Above PurelyWasted (thank you) provides a link, which includes a PL rating for which mine could be? (or maybe no?) of PL 66.. which states 9 sales @ $20. Yet then I'm told to take it to a bank and get face value for it. Then Talon (Thank you) suggests IF it has a value of 70, the market might bare 40, and a dealer might offer 30, and again this being a PL66 (or maybe not?) the very link provided says that is selling for $20, which means maybe I'd get $10, and yet I should bring it to the bank. Okie says (thank you) all PLs are 62 up to 65, yet the very link provided shows PL 66 and 67? I've been given several links to use, and when I cross reference and use them, I am told to ignore it. *shrug* This isn't daunting, it's pointless. lol
I can't be bothered with doing this a coin at a time. At face value, my time is FAR FAR more valuable.
Side Note, End Game was awesome! :) Go see it!
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Valued Member
Canada
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I think Coin Noob has provided a valuable lesson in why we shouldn't be suggesting inexperienced heirs take on the massive task of evaluating their own collections. It is just not possible. As collectors, most members here may not realize how daunting it is because we do it everyday and have been doing it for years or decades. Not so for most other people. It's impossible for them to learn how to grade, learn how the market works, learn how to price, etc. Can't be done without a considerable investment of time and effort.
Coin Noob: have you looked up dealers in your area who may be able to give you a sense of what the accumulation is worth and how to handle it?
Edited by NumisCat 04/26/2019 12:18 pm
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