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List The Oldest Form Of Fiat Money You Own !

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 Posted 08/25/2008  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are several languages on the Chinese "cash" coin, I believe Sadly, I cannot translate any.
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 Posted 08/25/2008  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know someone here knows how too. I thought I seen a thread once. Please come back and help Coindexter
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Looks a lot like this one;
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 Posted 08/25/2008  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
COINAHOL. the coin on the left side of my post looks like the one you found and I found the other coin on the right. All the pictures match this one.(1 Cash Emperor Kang Xi 1661-1722)Thanks for that link

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 Posted 08/26/2008  05:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coindexter: re: your two Chinese coins.

The one on the left is the same as Coinaholic posted; the Guang Xu emperor (1875-1908), struck in Guangdong (Kwangtung) province sometime after 1890. Note I said, "struck" - unlike most Chinese cash coins, these were actually struck, Western-style between dies on a coin press, rather than the traditional method of manufacture by casting.

The one on the right is from the reign of the Jia Qing emperor (1796-1820). This coin is also from the Guangdong provincial mint.

So, to answer your original question: no, neither of these coins are older than your Irish one.
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As for the OP's question: if "fiat money" is to be defined as money (coin or paper) issued without the ability of converting that money into a fixed amount of precious metal, then very little of my ancient and mediaeval collection qualifies. Historically, almost all money in ancient and mediaeval times has either been made of, or been theoretically convertible into, gold or silver coin - you only needed to scrape together a large enough pile of it, and find a moneychanger who wouldn't gouge you too much.

I do, however, have one piece of ancient currency that certainly qualifies as "fiat money". The Chinese usurper emperor Wang Mang was notorious for issuing new forms of currency, backed only by the threat of imprisonment and execution for anyone who dared to refuse to accept it, only to withdraw them a few years afterwards and replace them (at exorbitant exchange rates) with a new form of fiat money.

This particular cash coin dates from his fourth and last "reform", issued circa 14-22 AD. The inscription reads "huo quan" (which I think translates to "money of value"). The reverse is blank.

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Once again SAP comes to the party with a wealth of information
That was a really interesting story.
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Thank you SAP. Now I can put them in to a 2x2 and have somthing to write on them also.lol
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