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1901 O Morgan Dollar Grading

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Looks matte finish, I know 1901 P is the go to but the O is hard to find in great shape .. worth sending in for grading? Have a natural night photo outside and normal photo taken inside with indoor lighting.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Harshly cleaned F. Value $17 or so.
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 Posted 05/03/2019  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chinese cast counterfeit worth much less than the issue price of about $1. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news....
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 Posted 05/03/2019  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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worth sending in for grading?


Well, at least the answer to this question is clear.

Return to seller ASAP if you can.
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Yes it is a counterfeit. In the future image the entire coin. None of those pictures show the entire coin but we see enough to know it is fake.
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Dang ok I have a few more then that I need some counterfeit help with to. Thanks all on this one!! Looks good though , what's the sign of counterfeit
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Cast counterfeits have many common characteristics:
Poorly formed lettering (and stars)
Grainy fields
Lack of detail in areas where fine detail should exist (cotton blossoms, large and small bear claws, hair curl over the ear, etc.)
Uneven denticles and debris between the denticles
Tooling marks (behind the eagle's head)
Polishing marks (to buff out the grainy finish)
Casting seams around the edge of the coin, sometimes obscured by after-added milling, usually from a Castaing Machine or similar device
Edge milling that is too sharp or wrong for the type of coin
Improper weight
In the case of silver, failure to pass the "ping" test
In the case of copper or silver, failure to pass an Eddy Current Bake test
Failure to pass a specific gravity test*
Greasy or discolored surface appearance
(Sometimes) obvious plating of the cast core
Mismatched die pairings (such as impossible VAM varieties)

The use of 3D printers and plastic molds makes more recent cast counterfeits better, but they are still pretty crude copies.

*Chinese counterfeiters frequently use 87-88% Sn and 12-13% Zn cores with 90% Ag 10% Cu plating for their counterfeit Morgans. This composition very closely matches the specific gravity of a 90% Ag 10% Cu coin, so specific gravity alone isn't enough to verify authenticity of a silver coin. While these fakes can fool specific gravity tests, they miserably fail the "ping" and Eddy Current Brake tests.
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Agree, I think you got stung there.
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Ok how about this one
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 Posted 05/04/2019  11:13 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can buy a very NICE BU 1901 O For around 50 to 60 bucks , hardly a rare coin .
Just make sure to get a nicely struck piece , as many are not .
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Does that 1896 look fake
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The 1896 is authentic.
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Curious as to what the rims look like?

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The 1896 looks authentic.
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