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1840 Large Cent With Raised Bits On Obverse - Looks PSD But...

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 Posted 05/09/2019  11:15 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ow my eyes!

Okay, so that was a different suggestion so I had to try it.


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 Posted 05/10/2019  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lawest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Not an expert but might be N-4, looks like it has the pantograph lines at IBE of Liberty... but I can't make out any of the die lines on the reverse?
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 Posted 03/13/2020  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add duck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all, new subscriber here.

I just found this thread after doing a search for large cent defaced dies.

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I've had this coin for decades, I have no memory of when or where I got it. I'd always assumed it was simple PSD, but a friend just pointed out that, although there is some indent, there seems to be more metal pushed up than down. I looked at it closer than I ever had and noticed that the die was clearly cracked, so I wondered if this coin was struck after the die was retired.

When I found this thread I noticed some remarkable similarities between the two coins - the OP's coin has 2 1/2 H's and what looks a (less prominent) A or triangle, mine has WHH and a similar A or triangle, stamped with a tool of roughly the same size.

The die crack runs diagonally from between the "9" and "*", just below the ear, through the corner of the "L", coming out the front of the crown. The difference in height across the crack is very prominent through the neck.

There is also what looks like a Rockwell punch mark in the poor lady's ear, with no matching mark on the obverse.

I'm not fully convinced that mine's not PSD, but the similarities in defacement seemed like enough of a coincidence to make me wonder.

Sorry for the poor quality of the photo, I couldn't find my closeup camera so it was taken with a cell phone.
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The plot thickens...
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To CCF duck! Well, that's very coincidental. Not really sure what to say. Almost unexplained.
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I mentioned I'd never paid much attention to this penny before due to the damage, but now I'd noticed how good the condition was otherwise, so I was curious roughly what it'd be worth without the damage. I went to ebay, searched for 1839 large cent, and the first one I clicked on had the same die crack and the same dimple in the ear. I found two more in the top half of the first page of results, on two of the three the crack was pretty obvious:
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So what gives? Either it's a big coincidence that I found three from the same cracked die, which is unlikely, or this is a really common defect, but I don't see any mention of it on the lists of commonly known strike errors. Are cracked dies common enough that it doesn't warrant mention?

And what's up with the punch mark on the ear? A lot of large cents from around that year have it. Could this have been an artifact of one of the machines that stamped the planchets?
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The last two are N-9, the crack is pretty much diagnostic for this variety. and the "raised" marks are, as on the OP coin, the result of Post Strike Damage from cuts made into the coin.
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