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Pillar of the Community
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Maybe the metal was just "pushed" (repousse) to create any raised letters.
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Pillar of the Community
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At least I am not alone in wondering about this one. Still just keeping it as a whatzit unless someone homes in on something better.
Thanks everyone for your comments! It's very helpful with a coin like this.
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Pillar of the Community
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There are cuts into the coin that pushed the metal upwards. You can see the cuts right next to the raised ridges.
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Pillar of the Community
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Its hard to tell if its raised or inset into the coin. I'd "feel" it with the tip of a toothpick to see if the tip drops into a valley, or gets stopped by a ridge. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out if you have the coin in hand.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'd say Post Strike Damage ( PSD), but that's just my opinion.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't have a problem with the idea that this is related to cuts in the coin, other than the amount of metal involved. How does a little cut put all that metal out in the field in front of the neck? And as noted in my original post, they are raised. Photos can be deceiving about such things so I said that right up front. Pretty sure this will remain a whatzit at this point favoring PMD of some kind as no viable mint option has come out other than die defacement and I would think if that occurred then these would be a known thing by now.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you have a laser pointer, you could run it across the raised areas and look for shadows where the metal may gave been chased upwards.
(Do I have to tell you not to allow the laser to reflect into your eyes?)
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Pillar of the Community
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Ow my eyes! Okay, so that was a different suggestion so I had to try it. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Not an expert but might be N-4, looks like it has the pantograph lines at IBE of Liberty... but I can't make out any of the die lines on the reverse?
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New Member
United States
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Hi all, new subscriber here. I just found this thread after doing a search for large cent defaced dies.  I've had this coin for decades, I have no memory of when or where I got it. I'd always assumed it was simple PSD, but a friend just pointed out that, although there is some indent, there seems to be more metal pushed up than down. I looked at it closer than I ever had and noticed that the die was clearly cracked, so I wondered if this coin was struck after the die was retired. When I found this thread I noticed some remarkable similarities between the two coins - the OP's coin has 2 1/2 H's and what looks a (less prominent) A or triangle, mine has WHH and a similar A or triangle, stamped with a tool of roughly the same size. The die crack runs diagonally from between the "9" and "*", just below the ear, through the corner of the "L", coming out the front of the crown. The difference in height across the crack is very prominent through the neck. There is also what looks like a Rockwell punch mark in the poor lady's ear, with no matching mark on the obverse. I'm not fully convinced that mine's not PSD, but the similarities in defacement seemed like enough of a coincidence to make me wonder. Sorry for the poor quality of the photo, I couldn't find my closeup camera so it was taken with a cell phone.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 To CCF duck! Well, that's very coincidental. Not really sure what to say. Almost unexplained.
Errers and Varietys.
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New Member
United States
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I mentioned I'd never paid much attention to this penny before due to the damage, but now I'd noticed how good the condition was otherwise, so I was curious roughly what it'd be worth without the damage. I went to ebay, searched for 1839 large cent, and the first one I clicked on had the same die crack and the same dimple in the ear. I found two more in the top half of the first page of results, on two of the three the crack was pretty obvious:  So what gives? Either it's a big coincidence that I found three from the same cracked die, which is unlikely, or this is a really common defect, but I don't see any mention of it on the lists of commonly known strike errors. Are cracked dies common enough that it doesn't warrant mention? And what's up with the punch mark on the ear? A lot of large cents from around that year have it. Could this have been an artifact of one of the machines that stamped the planchets?
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Moderator
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 to the Community, duck!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The last two are N-9, the crack is pretty much diagnostic for this variety. and the "raised" marks are, as on the OP coin, the result of Post Strike Damage from cuts made into the coin.
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