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Philip II 8 Reales Coin? Fake?

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 Posted 05/05/2019  07:11 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add iamchrisd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I would like you opinion on this coin. To me looks like a philip ii 8 reales coin. Do you think its a fake? its 38mm diameter and 18.6 grams in weight. this seems too light in weight (should be 27 grams?) but the right size. Its not magnetic either. What do you think? thank you

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 Posted 05/05/2019  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am NOT an expert with these, but
it appears to be wayyyy too round, to have the irregular shape of a cob coin.

A 'cob' coin is a rough piece of silver cut from the end of a silver bar.
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 Posted 05/05/2019  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin resembles an early issue from Peru, very much like this one

It has the appearance of a coin salvaged from a shipwreck. Do you have a certificate of authenticity from a salvage company? If it is made from coin silver, it will be difficult to authenticate without a COA. On the other hand, if it's not silver then you definitely have a replica.

As for "cob" coins, the Spanish word is macuquina and a better explanation of how they were made can be found here.
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05/05/2019 8:34 pm
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I didn't know about the early strike Peru issues.
I am still learning.
I avoided mentioning that it may be a sea salvaged Royal Strike, the possibility of this being highly unlikely.

Low weight till bothers me.
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 Posted 05/06/2019  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
18.6 grams is way too lightweight to be genuine. A shipwreck coin will lose some weight in the cleaning process, but not that much. To get that much of a weight reduction, you'd expect to see some pieces physically missing.
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 Posted 05/07/2019  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A commonly-seen replica from a Spanish Armada 400th anniversary commem. set distributed in the UK.
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From the CCF discussion at http://goccf.com/t/344533 please keep in mind that a silver /copper alloy coin confined to "Davy Jones Locker" i.e. bottom of the ocean, for many hundreds of years can lose the copper rich (alpha phase) grains through electrolysis and then end up as a "spongy" coin composed of silver rich (beta phase) grains. This would also reduce the coins weight and specific gravity.

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