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Die Varieties, Varieties, And Errors - They Are Different...

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 Posted 01/20/2006  10:34 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
In all of my experience in this industry I have found the following subject to be one of the most important yet least spread bits of education. Just what is a variety, die variety, and error, and how do they differ from one another?

1. Variety - A design change as intended by the mint that collectors notice and collect. Examples include small dates, mintmark types, open letters, closed letters, and other minor design changes. Type changes, such as the three different designs used to mint $1 gold coins, are considered "types" and are not included in "varieties." And, in actuality, the two different mintmark sizes for 1981S proof coins are actually "varieties" and not "types."

2. Die varieties - These include any instance of unintended doubling of an otherwise normal design on a die. The doubling exists on the die before the die is hung on the press to mint coins. Examples include all date varieties (repunched and over dates), hub doubling (doubled dies), and mintmark varieties (repunched and over mintmarks).

3. Errors - Categorized into three sub groups - Planchet errors, Die errors, and Striking errors (PDS, like the three mints that make our coins). The main difference between errors and die varieties is that errors are either a strictly coin to coin thing or they develop on a die after the die is hung on the press - such as die breaks, clashes, etc. Errors include wrong planchet errors, struck through errors, blanks, off-centers, double struck, brockages, broadstrikes, and on and on.

So there you have it. And yes, it is possible to have a variety, die variety, and error on the same coin...I have at least one example of such a coin with a 1946S cent with a sans serif mintmark (the variety) that's a repunched mintmark (the die variety) with a 10% curved clip (the error).
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 Posted 01/21/2006  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ezsellingsolutions to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have a picture of that coin so that we can see? I think it would be of high interest!
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 Posted 01/24/2006  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fish01 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does anyone have any information on die varieties on Indian Head cents. I was looking closer at mine and I have a few with a slight doubling on the reverse. Pretty exciting, seeing as though I've had these coins for over 20 years and never really looked.
Sure wish I could attach a picture, but it isn't a question of doubling, no doubt about that. (although I wish I could share with everyone)
thanks,
fish

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 Posted 01/24/2006  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ezsellingsolutions to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats, Fish!!! Finding doubling on a coin of that age and type is a good find. (Especially since you say it is not a questionable subject!!!) We have an 1882 Nickel that has some doubling as well. I just took pictures, so as soon as I get them edited, I'll post them with this message.
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 Posted 01/31/2006  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add newguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i just got a 1973 kennedy faces lincon penny and I have not seen any anywhere else is it a significant find or just another penny
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 Posted 02/01/2006  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Newguy - what you have is an after-mint "counterstamp" that was made in the millions by a private company who sold them to banks and the like, which in turn placed them on advertising cards and gave them away to the public. There are millions of them out there.

Counterstamps occur in many different shapes and are somewhat collectible, but not valuable until you get back to the really old ones that have historic significance. Yours would sell for 50 cents to a dollar depending on the condition of the coin and whether or not you could find someone who wanted such a thing for their collection. Some people actually collect that particular counterstamp by date and mintmark.
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 Posted 02/01/2006  02:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add newguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you for the help I hope some day I can help you out as you did me
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 Posted 02/05/2006  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VNLRRP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I posted <a><img src=http://home.jps.net/~pmarche/1961DRoo.jpg>this[/url] D/D RPM to ebay this evening. I've found 4 different RPM's for this date and mintmark...in the same roll. Where can I find posted images to compare with those I've found to identify the variety by classification(?) number?
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 Posted 02/05/2006  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding dimes, you're not going to find them. Plain and simple, the site you seek doesn't exist. Right now my site, https://www.coppercoins.com, is the leading thing going on the internet for die variety self-attribution, and we are currently focusing all our attention on the Lincoln Cent because it is by very far the most collected coin series by die variety. There are over 2,500 known die varieties in the Lincoln Cent series, and we currently have just shy of 7,900 photos of nearly 1,650 different die varieties accessible on the site. It is a "giga-site" that takes over 1.3Gb of disk space and costs nearly $100 per month just to host. What's more, it's free to you. The cost of the site comes out of my pocket and from donations.

Within a year we will be expanding and working on other coin series. The plan is in place, but the whole structure has to be very carefully planned to allow for growth without having to completely rework the structure again. Believe me when I say it's going to be good. The vision has been there ever since I noted that the so-called experts in the field were out only to take checks and make a buck eaking out tiny bits of information - I'm not here for that. I'm in all this to make die variety collecting easier on the collector, and I am seeing it through. I have been working on all of this for seven years now, and don't have any intentions of retiring before it is compelte.

Simply contact me if you want to discuss things at length, volunteer to help, talk about die varieties, or ask questions. My email address is cd@coppercoins.com, and I will reply as soon as I hear from you.
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 Posted 02/05/2006  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daveyn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fish,
what are the dates of the Indian Head cents that are doubled. I may be able to help attribute them.

Thanks,

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 Posted 05/27/2006  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FYI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coins!
where did you get the variety/die variaty/error coin?
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 Posted 05/29/2006  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by FYI

nice coins!
where did you get the variety/die variaty/error coin?




I'm not completely sure where I ended up with that coin. I have tens of thousands of die varieties and cannot remember the source of even a fourth of them. All I do know is that I have a serious mess of an inventory to get online for sale.
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