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Hi all. Been collecting for awhile but just now learning about coins. Need help identifying whether this Trade dollar has corrosion from ground or a fake? **SEE 5 NEW PICS ADDED BELOW** Also, non-magnetic and weight 27.1gm   Edited by hd4hvn
05/29/2019 12:22 am
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Appears to be a cast fake. Better pictures would help determine.
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ok. is there anyway for a novice to determine? weight? sound? anything else specific to look for? thanks :)
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Your Trade dollar has what appears to be cast bumps in the fields on both sides that are common on cast counterfeits. The 74 S has a type 1 reverse and obverse. Can not tell if the obverse is a type 1 because of the poor quality photo. Check the coin first with a magnet if it sticks it will confirm the coin is a counterfeit. The weight should be 27.22 grams or close. The Trade dollar is one of the most counterfeited coins on the market. |
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Trade dollars are a series where unless you're an expert in them it's better to stick to graded ones.
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Pics aren't the best, but almost certainly a fake.  to the CCF! |
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Edited by hd4hvn
05/28/2019 11:46 pm
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Nice close up photos. The coin is showing a type 1 obverse and reverse. Take a close up of the date and the mint mark with the letters above and below the mint mark. Need a quality in focus photo of the obverse and reverse to compare to a genuine example. There are some details that appear genuine for example, the star above the branch in hand, the liberty ribbon tips, the base of neck feathers on eagle. There appears not to be a period after the word fine, but some dates are missing the period. On the 74S there were 3 sizes of mint marks mini, med and large.
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Thanks ALL for the input. I am learning lots. I just read PCGS that says sometimes there is no period after the word FINE because of a broken hub. Here are a few close ups of DATE and MINT MARK.   |
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Your coin appears to be a cast counterfeit. The IN GOD WE TRUST looks off on your coin. See photos below from a genuine example. I still would like to see in focus photos of both sides of the coin.   |
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Slider23 Thanks! I've been looking at different dates on graded Trade dollars from NGC, PCGS and the position of the date in relation to the letters seems to vary. So I'm still searching for an answer to that question. I've never submitted anything for grading before. If it is a legitimate coin would it be better to just have it graded without restoring? I'm thinking since it has some toning the restorting might take the toning away. |
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As far as I know the restoration only removes foreign contaminants from the coins surface. It shouldn't affect the original surface or toning.
Some here prefer using pure acetone to clean coins. I don't have much experience with that.
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The pebbled surface is an immediate giveaway.
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Quote:Slider23 Thanks! I've been looking at different dates on graded Trade dollars from NGC, PCGS and the position of the date in relation to the letters seems to vary. So I'm still searching for an answer to that question. I've never submitted anything for grading before. If it is a legitimate coin would it be better to just have it graded without restoring? I'm thinking since it has some toning the restorting might take the toning away. In Trade dollar series the date and mint mark position varies because the dies were all sent from Philadelphia to the local mints without dates or mint marks. The local mints added the dates and mint marks. There is nothing you can to to restore the coin as it is damaged beyond conservation, or the issue is that the coin is a counterfeit. The date and mint mark position are close, but counterfeiters often make a copy of an original example. |
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counterfeiters often make a copy of an original example.
A cast copy, which I am sure this one is, would almost certainly be made from an original example, so diagnostics are meaningless. |
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Posted 05/28/2019 6:41 pm
